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SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE  September 2010

SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE September 2010

Subject:

Non Science Related Post Number 2

From:

Larry Romsted <[log in to unmask]>

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Science for the People Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:42:52 -0400

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Non Science Related Post Number 2.

Included in Number 2 is the decade old piece by Marc Cooper about Mumia that
Michael sent to us.

Larry

On 9/4/10 5:18 PM, "Michael Balter" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm glad that Herb found an opportunity to get this out of his system,
> but I simply asked a question and stated my opinion--and I will
> continue to express my views on this list despite the constant
> personal attacks.
> 
> MB
> 
> On Saturday, September 4, 2010, herb fox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>       One of the problems with off-topic contributions is that they
>>         usually provoke further off-topic responses, to wit, MB has to
>>         respond to Mitchel's post and i feel compelled to respond to
>>         Michael's.
>> 
>>       Since this list is one of generally highly educated and
>>         critical persons, it would seem that we each can make our own
>>         judgments about Mitchel's post. Michael's tendency to rapidly
>>         jump in to straighten us out is, after a while, not only
>>         tiresome but insulting. I assume that all the contributors to
>>         this list approach everything with some level of skepticism
>>         and.when they deem the issue important, are willing to
>>         investigate the authority of the relevant posts
>>       Michael as a journalist has the authority to address certain
>>         questions. For example, to make a judgment on whether the film
>>         will be even handed he could examine the filmakers' past
>>         productions. See e.g.
>> http://www.pmpress.org/content/article.php?story=bignoise
>> 
>>       As a committed opponent of the death penalty for the guilty as
>>         well as the innocent, i have never imagined Mumia as our icon;
>>         and very few of those who share my opposition have ever
>>         mentioned his name. Yet this is the red herring that Cooper
>>         brings in and Michael considers relevant
>> 
>>       The issue raised by Mitchel's post is very simple. Do you
>>         want to support an effort by film makers to illuminate the Mumia
>>         case with a documentary as opposed to a fictionalized account.
>>         A skeptic might want to determine the objectivity of the film
>>         makers as demonstrated by past productions. That's it Michael.
>>         The rest is provocative, unnecessary, and tiresome. It is also
>>         in the category of "poisoning the well."
>> 
>>     herb
>> 
>> 
>>     On 9/4/2010 6:03 AM, Michael Balter wrote:
>>     This is off-topic, although I am not going to object
>>       to that nor to count Mitchel's off-topic posts. Too late for that!
>> 
>> 
>>       I am opposed to the death penalty, in Mumia's case and all
>>         others. But I wonder if Mitchel or someone else could provide a
>>         link that would provide the "mountains of
>>           evidence of Mumia's innocence"? There are certainly legitimate
>>           questions about whether he got a fair trial, and the
>>           possibility that he might be found not guilty on the basis of
>>           insufficient evidence if he were retried, but actual evidence
>>           of his innocence? Perhaps this "mountain of evidence" of his
>>           innocence will be exposed for the first time in this
>>           documentary--in which case it would indeed be a worthy cause
>>           to support. Meanwhile, excuse me for being skeptical about
>>           this statement.
>> 
>> 
>>       Another view of the Mumia case, infamous
>>           among left circles but still worth reading for those who have
>>           not seen it (or need a refresher) and who are not willing to
>>           just follow the crowd on this one, is here. It's a bit out of
>>           date, but raises the right questions in my view, both
>>           political and factual:
>> 
>> 
>>       http://motherjones.com/politics/2000/02/whats-mumia-got-do-it
>> 
>> 
>>       MB
>> 
>>         On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Mitchel
>>           Cohen <[log in to unmask]>
>>           wrote:
>> 
>>             This was sent to me by my friend Chris Kinder on behalf
>>               of the Labor Action Committee to Free Mumia Abu-Jamal,
>>               based in Oakland California. Please forward it widely, and
>>               contribute the funds requested if you can. Thank you.
>> 
>>               - Mitchel Cohen
>>               Brooklyn Greens/Green Party
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                   
>>                     Please forward and distribute widely 
>> 
>>                   An
>>                     Urgent Appeal from a long-time friend of
>>                     Mumia Abu-Jamal
>> 
>>                   A
>>                     message from the Labor Action Committee To Free
>>                     Mumia Abu-Jamal
>>                     03 September 2010
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                     The letter below, from Frances Goldin, Mumia's
>>                     literary agent and long-time friend and supporter,
>>                     is an urgent call for help which we hope you will
>>                     look at closely.
>> 
>>                      The life of the world's best known death row
>>                     prisoner, Mumia Abu-Jamal, is under threat from many
>>                     sides. One is the courts, which have refused to
>>                     hear mountains of evidence of Mumia's innocence, and
>>                     have denied him the benefit of established law and
>>                     precedent on many occasions. Mumia's 1982 kangaroo
>>                     court conviction was upheld by the Supreme Court
>>                     last year. And now, the reinstatement of his death
>>                     sentence, which was put on hold in 2001, is the
>>                     likely outcome at the Third Circuit Court.
>> 
>>                      Another threat is the so-called police "union,"
>>                     the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP),
>> 
>> 

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