If you are going to "support" the phage theory, then is this with pure faith?
Please tell me where the paradigm was established with actual isolation of a
Balter's ref to photos of various patterns of non-isolated cellular debris are not
proof of proper characterization unless there is proof of actual isolation, not
mere loose claims of "isolation", as found in article titles.
I am skeptical of phage as virus theory, because, there is a parallel, HIV.
In 1996, photos of "purified HIV" were analyzed -- and HIV found to be a
minority component. In other words, purification did not produce an isolated
Without isolation, that minority component cannot be characterized properly, it
can't be labelled "HIV".
That study of "purified HIV" reveals another, worse problem. It doesn't explain
how it knows the minority component is "HIV". Thus the usual required
tautologies were avoided.
Nevertheless, predatory "HIV", as a literary device, latent, hiding in cells, sells
tons of drugs.
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:56:40 -0700, Mitchel Cohen
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>Yup, bacteriophages was what I should have written.
>Mitchel (supporting the phage theory of history) ....
>>From: Stuart Newman <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Sep 6, 2010 5:34 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Phage Therapy
>>There is a confusion here, Mitchel. Marcophages are cells of the animal
>>(e.g., human) immune system which scavenge debris, including bacteria
>>that have been killed by antibiotics or are bound to antibodies produced
>>by plasma cells. They are entirely different from bacteriophages, which
>>are viruses directed against bacteria and not endogenous to the immune
>>system. Bacteriophage therapy was what the character Arrowsmith was
>>studying, what the Russians greatly advanced, and what is attracting
>>increasing interest from mainstream medical science, e.g.,
>>On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:57:14 -0400, Mitchel Cohen
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>id="compText">As I learned and posted 6 months ago, the Soviet Union
>>used macrophages (not sure how those differ from regular phages)
>>extensively in place of antibiotics. I questioned at the time whether
>>these might not be useful against the new breeds of antibiotic-resistant
>>style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-left: 2px solid rgb(0,
>>0, 255);">-----Original Message-----
>>><br>From: Michael Balter <[log in to unmask]>
>>><br>Sent: Sep 6, 2010 7:55 AM
>>><br>To: [log in to unmask]
>>><br>Subject: Re: Phage Therapy
>>><br><br>Phages, of course, are not imaginary, but have been
>>visualized many times in the electron
>>><div><br></div><div>Jim West doesn't think that HIV has ever
>>been "isolated" either, following the absurd claims of the so-called Perth
>>group, but science says otherwise.</div><div><br></div><div>We
>>had a discussion of phage therapy a year or two ago, as some may
>>recall, when Mitchel posted something about it. It seems that they
>>might have some limited therapeutic use but the jury is out on how
>>class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Jim West <span
>>href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></spa
>>n> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt
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>>>Phage therapy is founded on laboratory observations in petri dishes, of
>>>zones within bacterial cultures. Twort, d'Herelle, and others
>>>phenomena around 1915 and 1917. They never isolated the
>>imagined phages, nor<br>
>>>did they discount the obvious underlying toxicology of these
>>>The therapy is promoted here:<br>
>>>On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 09:35:21 +0200, Mandi Smallhorne<br>
>>href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&
>>>I had never heard of phage therapy until recently. From what little I've
>>>- and that is very little indeed - it seems worth pursuing. Does anyone
>>>serious research is being done in this area?<br>
>>Balter<br>Contributing Correspondent, Science<br>Adjunct Professor of
>>Journalism,<br>New York University<br><br>Email: <a
>>href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>
>>>Web: <a target="_blank"
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>>><br>"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask
>>why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist." -- Hélder Pessoa
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