We do all the partitioning & opsystem/software installation before
pulling an image off the prime machine. That's why we need the imaging
system to be low-level. Remember the old msdos 'diskcopy' command? Its
like we need a network hard-disk version of that. Ghost has done this
well enough until recently.
Most of the science/engineering software our professors specify have
non-standard requirements which we want to avoid doing machine by
machine. Visiting the target machines for cloning is ok & is what we've
been doing for a long time. As I'm sure you're aware, public labs need
to be visited often anyway. That way, one finds out about a
dysfunctional monitor or keyboard filled with coffee..
VM would be ok, but correct me if I am wrong about this - doesn't
virtualization assumes that there is more hardware capability than is
being used? Thing like FiniteElementAnalysis applications & CAD
software really bring fast computers to a halt. I tell my students not
to browse the web too much or stream music when they are using
Solidworks for this reason. -V
On 10/18/10 10:52 AM, David Houston wrote:
> Am I understanding you that your interest is in a tool that can do the
> actual partitioning remotely? I.e., never touch another console again,
> kind of thing?
> David Houston
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> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010, Victor Rossi intoned:
> VR:Greg& David,
> VR: Thanks greatly for the insightful and informative take on cloning&
> VR:multicasting. I honestly didn't know that WDS has a multicast mode. Is this
> VR:how the computer depot preps new machines? They always seem to arrive
> VR:I haven't yet found anything in writing that says either Fog or WDS can
> VR:handle Win7/Ubunutu dual boot *client* machines. The FOG site has a lot of
> VR:info about many opsystem options for the server side.
> VR:Has anyone had experience with WDS in dual boot systems? Perhaps these
> VR:details are in your 2007 blog?
> VR:The only real problem with spending $120 is that it is nice to test these
> VR:things out beforehand. -V
> VR:On 10/18/10 9:48 AM, J. Greg Mackinnon wrote:
> VR:> MCA does not cover Windows Server. It covers Windows workstation
> VR:> /upgrades/ (you must still purchase an OS with each new computer, but
> VR:> you can upgrade to an volume license edition of Windows after that).
> VR:> You can purchase a Windows Server (standard edition) license for about
> VR:> $110 under MS Select Agreement though the Computer Depot. For most
> VR:> people, that should not be cost prohibitive.
> VR:> I expect you already know that in ETS we host two separate but
> VR:> complimentary Windows deployment technologies... Windows Deployment
> VR:> Services (Windows DS, or WDS), and "LiteTouch" (a component of the
> VR:> Microsoft Deployment Toolkit). WDS is a systems for simple Windows
> VR:> system image distribution. LiteTouch is a tool for running one-off
> VR:> customized and automated deployments of Windows. Both are freely
> VR:> available to the UVM community. I wrote about these services for the now
> VR:> defunct "IT-News" letter in 2007. An old (but still accurate) blog entry
> VR:> on the subject can be found here:
> VR:> http://blog.uvm.edu/jgm/2007/08/09/changes-in-windows-deployment-technology/
> VR:> If you really need frequent rapid multi-system cloning, then I could see
> VR:> you wanting your own distribution server located on your local subnet.
> VR:> But you still could use a WDS server in multicast mode to accomplich
> VR:> this end. Total cost to you in software? About $110. Cheap!
> VR:> I agree with David that Altiris likely would be too complicated and
> VR:> cumbersome for small scale deployments. However, I cannot say that I
> VR:> share is enthusiasm for open-source projects such as "Dolly" and "Fog".
> VR:> I get the feeling that open source developers really have to struggle to
> VR:> keep on top of new developments in the Windows OS world. Since Microsoft
> VR:> provides reliable, affordable, and well documented tools for mass system
> VR:> distribution, I see no reason to stray off the reservation... but that's
> VR:> just my take on the situation.
> VR:> --
> VR:> J. Greg Mackinnon | ETS Systems Architecture and Administration | x68251
> VR:> On 10/15/2010 3:01 PM, Victor Rossi wrote:
> VR:> > does our mca agreement does not include windows server editions?
> VR:> >
> VR:> > i want to test altiris for imaging, but apparently it only works on
> VR:> > windows server