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On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Charlotte Bill wrote:
> Hey Patti, et al,
> so much for your response, Patti. You're right, of course.
> However, two things make ebird reporting difficult for me. Am
> replying to the whole VTBIRD list because I would like to know how
> ebirders (plural) deal with these questions. Both relate to accuracy.
> 1) What's the exact count?
> 2) What's the exact location?
> Re #1, e.g.: were there 34 Evening Grosbeaks or 35? Aw sheesh. I think
> there are 35, but am I recounting one that just flew to another
> branch? I count again and am not sure again because a few other
> birds change positions again. How many are really there? Let's not
> even begin to get into the juvenile vs. adult or male vs. female
> numbers questions.
> Then, are there 120, 140 or actually 131 Snow Buntings in that flock?
> It all seems like being precise ought to matter, but in the final
> determination, when making the report, do ebirders fudge it, i.e.,
> pick a number and say close enough? I REALLY want to know, because
> this is one issue that stops me from reporting. I WANT TO GET IT
> Re #2, The other tough question is location. Let's say I'm birding
> as I walk my dog on the road that transects the Enosburgh Town
> Forest (TF).
> As I do my "Walking Count," I see and hear a Pileated Woodpecker
> at one end of the TF, two RB Nuthatches at the parking area midway
> between borders, nine BC Chickadees throughout, and the 34 (or 35)
> EV Grosbeaks at the feeder near the other edge of the TF. I want to
> report as precisely as I can about WHERE I observe these birds.
> After all, the Pileated Woodpecker is half a mile away from the
> Evening Grosbeaks. Do I place markers on the Google map at the
> proper locations for both species and a third marker for the
> nuthatches? This means three reports for my walking count, and I
> guess I can do it, but what about the BC Chickadees throughout?
> Where do I place the marker for them? I can't stand it! This, too,
> stops me from entering data in ebird.
> There you have it, i.e., the explanation of why "I'm afraid I can't
> with the e-bird thing...." Ideas, anyone/everyone? I would
> appreciate replies ON LIST, rather than off. How do all of you
> experienced ebirders deal with these issues?
> Charlotte Bill
> Enosburgh, VT
> BTW, if I see that NHO on my way to work tomorrow, I will stop the
> car and get out and do a stationary count for X number of minutes
> and report it to ebird and let you all know. That ought to be easy
> --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Patti Haynes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Patti Haynes <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Northern Hawk Owl Report from Belvidere
> [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 4:35 PM
> I hope you see the NHO on your way to work tomorrow and I hope you
> reconsider posting on ebird. What you post here on VT Bird benefits
> but not science.
> Bryan was the one who convinced me to post what I observed on ebird
> way back
> the fall of 2003. I have not always been the most faithful
> ebirder, but
> to know that something I enjoy can also contribute to science only
> adds to
> the pleasure.
> Thanks for thinking about it,
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Charlotte Bill
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>> Ohhhhh Bryan! People seem to be tee-heeing about where Belvidere
>> is, but
>> thank you for Jack Slagle's Northern Hawk Owl (NHO) report! I
>> can't help but
>> wonder if this might be the same NHO I saw almost every day for
>> more than
>> two months during my commute to and from work through Montgomery,
>> Eden, etc. Slagle's NHO sighting is barely five miles from where I
>> (and many
>> others) saw the NHO between 1/5/09 and 3/18/09. I will look on
>> Friday when I
>> drive that way again. I'm afraid I can't deal
> with the e-bird thing, so I
>> will leave that to others.
>> Charlotte Bill
>> --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Bryan Pfeiffer <[log in to unmask]>
>> From: Bryan Pfeiffer <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: [VTBIRD] Northern Hawk Owl Report from Belvidere
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:43 PM
>> Greetings, VTBIRDers:
>> This just in from Jack Slagle, who reports a Northern Hawk Owl in
>>> Around mid-day I was traveling east on Rte 118 toward Eden about
>>> 1/2 or
>> 3/4 mile east of
> the junction with Rte 109 (where Rte 109 ends at Belvidere
>> corners). The owl was at the top of a large balsam fir on the
>> south side of
>> the road (this is in the middle of the large wetland west of
>> Bryan Pfeiffer
>> Vermont Bird Tours
>> PO Box 121
>> Plainfield, VT 05667
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