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SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE November 2011

Subject:

Fwd: [Marxism] Electric cars (was re: Socialist Party of Ontario)

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Ambrose Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

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Science for the People Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:38:12 +1100

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Hi SftP... below is part of a discussion on Marxmail about the
much-inflated social merits of electric cars.

  -AA.


On 11 November 2011 08:40, Rod Holt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> I have and will continue to support the elimination of air pollution, particularly from cars.
> To that end I submit a recent Wall Street Journal article on some of the effects of car's exhaust. This article is largely speculative in tone and says little about the sub-micron particulate emissions due to diesels -- currently regulated only in part. Diesel particulate filters are available, however. There does not seem to be any good reason not to set absolute, enforceable standards for all vehicles, except the usual drive for profit.
>
> The WSJ article is silent also on the effects of emissions from fossil fuel power plants.
>                        --rod
> Note: All combustion of fossil fuels emit particulates and particulate-forming byproducts, not just auto exhaust. Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAH) form particulates because they are chemically active in the presence of oxygen, NO2, H2O, and so forth, as are other emitted pollutants. Particulates emitted directly from the combustion process (i.e., do not involve intermediate chemical processes) are of great importance too. All combustion of fossil fuels emit particulates and particulate-forming byproducts.
>
> This WSJ article may not be available free of charge. If a comrade wants, I can send a pdf, .pages, or Word version off list.
> "The Hidden Toll of Traffic Jams --
> Scientists Increasingly Link Vehicle Exhaust With Brain-Cell Damage, Higher Rates of Autism" by  ROBERT LEE HOTZ
> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203733504577024000381790904.html?>
> One of the original papers on this subject is by Frederica Perera and is free at <http://ccceh.hs.columbia.edu/pdf-papers/PereraPediatrics2009.pdf>
> Another paper presenting epidemiological evidence of declining mental performance with increasing exposure to particulate pollution is:
> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/clarc/pubs/endnote204-chen.pdf>
>
> Without turning Marxmail into an esoteric technical forum, I have just wanted to be clear: there is no escape from the cost to human health and welfare of burning fossil fuels. And as long as 80 percent of our electricity comes from fossil fuels, the electric car won't help.
>                        --rod
>
>
> Ken
> On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Nick Fredman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Rod Holt:
>>
>>>> The bottom line is that until the whole electrical generating system is radically changed, electric cars will consume twice the
>> fossil fuel, produce twice the amount of CO2, and, still, to control pollution and particulates, gigantic catalytic converters and
>> particulate traps will have to be added to existing and future power plants. <<
>>
>> I'm not an engineer but I imagine this comparison could be disputed on a number of grounds, even without a radical switch to
>> renewables, such as as the Socialist Party comrade points out, leaving out the cost in energy in the treatment of large scale
>> cancers, respiratory illness etc caused by mass combustion engines (fossil fuel electrical generation being away from population
>> centres or at least more easily so than millions of personal cars).
>> [CLIP]
>
>


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