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Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:39:07 -0800
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Chandler, You might also consider the 25-year-old book: "Evolution as Entropy: Toward a Unified Theory of Biology" by Daniel R. Brooks and E.O. Wiley, Chicago, 1986. ONe of their main points is that entropy increases are increases in complexity in many (or most)  cases. I imagine you can reach Steve Jones through the (British) Association for Science Education, which probably has a website. 


On Dec 9, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Chandler Davis wrote:

> Thanks for sending us this agonizing report.  If Steven Jay Gould were
> alive he would be happy to pop over to University College London and
> give a talk to Steve Jones's students and others.
> 	Though the resistance to evolution is essentially faith-based,
> I note in his report that it is rationalized by the Intelligent Design
> argument, and in particular the argument that increases in complexity
> violate the Second Law of thermodynamics.  This is promulgated by a
> mathematician, Granville Sewell, who published an early version in The
> Mathematical Intelligencer, which I edit.  Lewontin was impatient with
> me for giving Sewell space, I remember.
> 	A British emeritus prof of chemistry, Bob Lloyd, haS an
> extended rebuttal forthcoming in The Intelligencer.  He was perhaps
> motivated to write it up partly by experiences like those Jones
> describes.  The short form of Lloyd's argument is this: If increases
> in complexity always constituted violations of the Second Law of
> thermodynamics, then we would have to abandon not evolution but
> thermodynamics!  Because some increases in complexity are observed in
> less-than-geological time scale.
> 	I should send Steve Jones a copy of Lloyd's article.  What
> address shall I use?
> 			Chandler