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Re: iPad vs Chromebook for 8th grade 1:1

From:

Bob Wickberg <[log in to unmask]>

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School Information Technology Discussion <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:24:37 -0400

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I got a chuckle out of the first one. 8700 Chromebooks, and one coach to
help people use them.

Bob Wickberg
Technology Coordinator
Brattleboro Union High School District # 6
802-451-3418



School Information Technology Discussion <[log in to unmask]> writes:
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>Subject: Re: iPad vs Chromebook for 8th grade 1:1
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>We met to narrow down our usage needs. What came out was the absolute
>need to have any device be able to work offline with Putney's GAFE, so
>there's no issues for those students with limited or no online access.
>This is important to the board and principal. iPads are not  doing Google
>Drive offline last time I checked, so it looks like CB's for this pilot.
>They can work completely offline, and they sych when in a wireless zone
>again. Drive could do this on a PC or Mac, but not for under $300 we
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>This is a very helpful thread, thanks. 
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>Anyone know the process and cost for sending in Chromebooks for repair
>(Repair and shipping)? I assume most SW issues can be dwelt with by
>wiping the machine while the student has a loaner. 
>We'd rather not limit, lock down or filter when students are off campus.
>Does anyone have a good AUP that addresses the issues of open access at
>home so the school is protected?
>Anyone ever used Chromeboosk admin software? Seems very
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>that's very well put Bjorn. I've heard iPads are easy to deploy 1:1 if
>you put updating apps and OSes to each user (Parent/student/family) and
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>- Built specifically to me network deployments:  Very easy to mange.
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>Both have value.   My ideal device configuration would be:  1:1 with
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>Bjorn Behrendt M.Ed ~ Never Stop Learning
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>I like your thoughts on this.   Upper and lower.   We are looking at the
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>I've got a side gig once a week helping a local middle school. They want
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>The school uses Google for it's LMS and two Macbook carts  and two iPad
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>IT is the science teacher, and I do 4 hours a week for Tech Integration.
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>Chromebooks: We like Chromebooks and have tested them. They seem to have
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>http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/education/devices/lenovo-x131e-chromebook.html#len-x131e
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>if you let the parents and kids keep them updated. We've talked to some
>schools who simply put software serial numbers in emails or mailboxes and
>have the kids/parents download Apps. We use Configurator now, and it
>sucks, but it's faster then tweaking 20 iPads on a single USB with only
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>Director: [ http://gradschool.marlboro.edu/academics/edtech/ ]Educational
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>Masters degree. Certificate. ETS endorsement. Single classes. Workshops.
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