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MEDLIB-L  April 2013, Week 3

MEDLIB-L April 2013, Week 3

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Re: FYI: "the dark side of open access"

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"Blobaum, Paul" <[log in to unmask]>

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Blobaum, Paul

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Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:06:29 +0000

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Dora,

I just reread your post.   Inclusion in an authoritative index is just one of the indicators to be considered.  In this case, more research will give valuable information.  Hindawi acquired Scientific World Journal from another publisher and turned it into Open Access, but then it lost its Impact Factor rating from ISI.  The situation is complicated.  http://scholarlyoa.com/2012/07/02/hindawis-scientific-world-journal-loses-its-impact-factor/  

But, all is information to be taken into account.   And NLM/Medline could discontinue indexing it based on its policies.

paul



Paul Blobaum, MA, MS                                pblobaum at govst.edu  
Full Professor and Head of Reference                     
University Library
Governors State University
University Park, IL  60484               7O8 534 4139

-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blobaum, Paul
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:30 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [MEDLIB-L] FYI: "the dark side of open access"

Good question, as some of the journals on Beall's list are also listed in Ulrich's and Cabell's Directory of Publishing Opportunities.

So that is why using an authoritative INDEX to the literature is important.  And I do not mean Google Scholar.

paul

Paul Blobaum, MA, MS                                pblobaum at govst.edu  
Full Professor and Head of Reference                     
University Library
Governors State University
University Park, IL  60484               7O8 534 4139

-----Original Message-----
From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dora Wong
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:40 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [MEDLIB-L] FYI: "the dark side of open access"

So one of my professors forwarded me the link to this NYT article and posed the question of how the library will screen for such questionable journals in future.  I wonder if some of the A&I tools that we all know and search regularly can be part of the discriminating tools. I'm thinking of Medline and Web of Science, for example. I've read that these organizations DO scrutinize journals  before they decide to index their contents. So does it mean then we can infer credibility from their being included in these databases?

So, to concretize my question and only for the sake of argument in order to establish a possibly useful process (N.B. NOT picking on this particular
publisher):

The Scientific World Journal, which is a OA journal and one of 250 journals in the Hindawi Publishing Corporation are indexed in both Medline and Web of Science. How would someone who just came across this NYT piece think about this particular title?

Applying some of the points raised by the NYT:
It does charge $1,000 per article for processing charges, should it be a red flag? But then many reputable journals have page charges, even the prestigious OA journal PLOS.
It dos have some favorable press, http://www.hindawi.com/in.the.press/

So does any of these things factor into our sensing what is reputable? Or does it take a specialist to REALLY know? In short, can we come up with a list of criteria  to check? I understand that no guideline is foolproof, but as a first point of departure, it will still be useful

Thanks,
Dora

@-->-->--  @-->-->-- @-->-->--
Dora Wong, Science Librarian
Haverford College
610-896-1416



On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Gore, Sally A <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> I agree wholeheartedly with Susan. There are plenty of well-documented 
> examples of bad science appearing in traditional  journals. I think 
> this article is written from a point of bias, i.e. a long-time 
> publisher (the NY
> Times) that feels the pressure of change to its one-time impenetrable 
> establishment and domination.
>
> Yes, there are publishers who will put your article out there for a fee.
> They can be described as pretty much every scientific publisher out there.
> I think the article is somewhat misleading in suggesting that authors 
> who are published in Science, Nature, Cell, or any of the other highly 
> prestigious journals (even PLoS and BMC journals) don't pay anything 
> to get their articles in print. That is far from the truth. These fees 
> come after an article has been accepted, but I argue that the high 
> cost of them, alone, creates a fairly uneven playing field. You need 
> good science AND money to find a home there. (How does traditional 
> publishing help the doctor in Mexico? If he couldn't afford the $2600 for the "fake journal,"
> he can't afford the same from an established OA journal like PLoS, or 
> a traditional one with page fees.)
>
> A couple of other points I thought were interesting:
>
> "Those who agreed to appear (at the meeting) were later charged a 
> hefty fee for the privilege..." - Kind of like agreeing to give a 
> talk, presentation, or poster at MLA's annual meeting. We don't question that.
>
> "The number of these journals and conferences has exploded in recent 
> years as scientific publishing has shifted from a traditional business 
> model for professional societies and organizations built almost 
> entirely on subscription revenues to open access, which relies on 
> authors or their backers to pay for the publication of papers online, 
> where anyone can read them." - I don't see Elsevier, Springer, Wiley, 
> Sage and the like listed among the "traditional business model". I 
> don't believe they are either professional societies or organizations. They are for-profit businesses.
>
> Finally, I think Dr. Price's comment, "They just don't pay any attention"
> (meaning the predatory publishers) and Dr. White's comment, "I really 
> should have known better" are pretty accurate in demonstrating the 
> contradictory attitudes of many of us in academia, i.e. we believe 
> it's everyone's responsibility but our own to pay attention to what 
> we're agreeing to do.
>
> I appreciate the work that Jeffrey is doing and applaud an outlet like 
> the NY Times for bringing the issue to light, but in my opinion the 
> tone of the piece strikes me as alarmist and slanted.
>
> Sally
>
>
> Sally Gore, MS, MS LIS
> Head, Research & Scholarly Communication Services Informationist and 
> Research Librarian Lamar Soutter Library UMass Medical School
> (508) 856-1966
>
> Librarians Wear Many Hats
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> On Behalf Of Susan Fowler
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:41 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FYI: "the dark side of open access"
>
> Right, because a junky article has never been published in a non-open 
> access journal.
>
> --
> Susan Fowler, MLIS
> Medical Librarian
>
> Evidence at Becker:
> http://beckerguides.wustl.edu/ebm
>
> Systematic Reviews Guide:
> http://beckerguides.wustl.edu/SystematicReviews
>
> Becker Medical Library, Washington University in St. Louis
> 314-362-8092
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding
> > -w
> > orld-of-pseudo-academia.html?hp
> >
> > We kind of suspected as much, didn't we?
> >
> > --
> > Julie Stielstra, MLS
> > Manager, Knowledge Resource Library
> > Central DuPage Hospital
> > 25 N Winfield Rd
> > Winfield, IL 60190
> > phone 630-933-4536
> > fax     630-933-4530
> > email jstielstra [ at ]  gmail.com
> >
> > "Never...be mean in anything; never be false; never be cruel. Avoid 
> > those three vices...and I can always be hopeful of you."  -- Betsy 
> > Trotwood to David Copperfield (Charles Dickens)
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