Well, I am someone who considers himself a Marxist, who despises Ayn 
Rand, who works collectively and has done so for my entire life, and 
who featured H. Bruce Franklin on my radio show "Steal This Radio" 
and his terrific book "The most important fish in the sea", I don't 
see what you are getting at here, nor how it is in response to 
anything that I wrote, which is presumably your intent. Or am I 
missing something. (Probably.)

Mitchel

At 10:50 AM 11/13/2013, Carrol Cox wrote:
>Sam F writes: "Mitchell,  I am trying to have a real discussion.  It is
>difficult to do sometimes, though."
>
>These threads have rather dramatically illustrated the impossibility of
>discussion when the parties lack a shared premise.
>
>Sam is a sociologist, and I think the 'deeper' issue here is to identify the
>social sources of such errant positions as creationism, libertarianism,
>conspiricisms, objectivism (Rand), and similar perspectives grounded in
>radical versions of the core of capitalist ideology: "the abstract --
>isolated -- individual." Bruce Franklin's _M.I.A., or Mythmaking in America"
>is a classic study which offers some perspective on these phenomena.
>
>Carrol