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Jim West <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:47:13 -0500
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Thanks.  This should move the flu parallel closer to AIDS.

With flu, the epidemiology shows “vaccine success” despite virtually no attempt to distinguish between virus flu and toxic flu.  The flu paradigm is heavily promoted, and the toxic paradigm gets no press or science.  Virus vaccines are even promoted by MDs to pregnant women and nursing mothers despite specific manufacturer’s contraindications.



I get the idea that causes of illness can be misdiagnosed.  What looks like flu is actually caused by something else, e.g., environmental pollution.

If for example, environmental pollution was making people ill and not HIV/AIDS, then it should show up in epidemiology, e.g., environmental pollution is geographically based and anywhere there is a smokestack spewing stuff, more people should be getting sick in its vicinity.
Although distinguishing environmental causes from person to person transfer might not be easy.  I do not know much about this.


On 11/13/13 12:13 PM, "Jim West" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>What do "get" of that?  So I can know how to respond.
>- Jim
>Thanks. I get that. Are there published examples of environmental 
>poisoning being misdiagnosed as HIV/Aids infection? If so, is there a 
>pattern in them? Seems to me that only the discovery of real poisonings 
>misdiagnosed as HIV would make the case. Otherwise, how would you know?
>On 11/13/13 11:43 AM, "Jim West" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>As an example, as requested, let me draw a simpler parallel.
>>[Flu Parallel]
>>Jane has the flu and sees an MD. According to common protocol, he 
>>gives her pills and sends her home to recover, “See me again if you 
>>don’t feel better.”
>>Jane gets worse and lives miserably with a cycle of chronic disease 
>>and pills, seeing the MD routinely.
>>10 years later, her friend Bob, an environmentalist, finds that her 
>>basement apartment is undoubtedly polluted by boiler exhaust, 
>>measuring hazardous levels of CO and NOx.
>>Jane vents her apartment and the landlord has the boiler vented properly.
>> Jane recovers and tosses the pills.
>>[End of Parallel]
>>Poisoning is commonly misdiagnosed as virus flu. One of several 
>>studies is Dolan (1985).
>>Dolan (1985), Abstract:
>>“Subacute carbon monoxide poisoning is commonly misdiagnosed as an 
>>influenza-like viral illness. All patients presenting... with flu-like 
>>symptoms during February 1985 were asked to give blood samples for 
>>carboxyhemoglobin determination. ... “
>>“No patient with a carboxyhemoglobin level greater than or equal to 
>>10% was diagnosed as having subacute CO poisoning by emergency physicians.
>>Physicians must seek out the possibility of CO toxicity in patients 
>>with flu-like illness...”
>>To this day, MD’s commonly misdiagnose poisoning as virus flu, by 
>>omitting toxicology, i.e., environmental reviews for their clients.