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"Romsted, Laurence" <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:20:56 +0000
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Parallels to flu are not evidence, they just suggest stuff to try.  HIV
does not have to act like flu viruses.  Note Sam's recent email and what
he is interested in discussing.


On 11/13/13 1:47 PM, "Jim West" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Thanks.  This should move the flu parallel closer to AIDS.
>With flu, the epidemiology shows ³vaccine success² despite virtually no
>attempt to distinguish between virus flu and toxic flu.  The flu paradigm
>is heavily promoted, and the toxic paradigm gets no press or science.
>Virus vaccines are even promoted by MDs to pregnant women and nursing
>mothers despite specific manufacturer¹s contraindications.
>I get the idea that causes of illness can be misdiagnosed.  What looks
>like flu is actually caused by something else, e.g., environmental
>If for example, environmental pollution was making people ill and not
>HIV/AIDS, then it should show up in epidemiology, e.g., environmental
>pollution is geographically based and anywhere there is a smokestack
>spewing stuff, more people should be getting sick in its vicinity.
>Although distinguishing environmental causes from person to person
>transfer might not be easy.  I do not know much about this.
>On 11/13/13 12:13 PM, "Jim West" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>What do "get" of that?  So I can know how to respond.
>>- Jim
>>Thanks. I get that. Are there published examples of environmental
>>poisoning being misdiagnosed as HIV/Aids infection? If so, is there a
>>pattern in them? Seems to me that only the discovery of real poisonings
>>misdiagnosed as HIV would make the case. Otherwise, how would you know?
>>On 11/13/13 11:43 AM, "Jim West" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>As an example, as requested, let me draw a simpler parallel.
>>>[Flu Parallel]
>>>Jane has the flu and sees an MD. According to common protocol, he
>>>gives her pills and sends her home to recover, ³See me again if you
>>>don¹t feel better.²
>>>Jane gets worse and lives miserably with a cycle of chronic disease
>>>and pills, seeing the MD routinely.
>>>10 years later, her friend Bob, an environmentalist, finds that her
>>>basement apartment is undoubtedly polluted by boiler exhaust,
>>>measuring hazardous levels of CO and NOx.
>>>Jane vents her apartment and the landlord has the boiler vented
>>> Jane recovers and tosses the pills.
>>>[End of Parallel]
>>>Poisoning is commonly misdiagnosed as virus flu. One of several
>>>studies is Dolan (1985).
>>>Dolan (1985), Abstract:
>>>³Subacute carbon monoxide poisoning is commonly misdiagnosed as an
>>>influenza-like viral illness. All patients presenting... with flu-like
>>>symptoms during February 1985 were asked to give blood samples for
>>>carboxyhemoglobin determination. ... ³
>>>³No patient with a carboxyhemoglobin level greater than or equal to
>>>10% was diagnosed as having subacute CO poisoning by emergency
>>>Physicians must seek out the possibility of CO toxicity in patients
>>>with flu-like illness...²
>>>To this day, MD¹s commonly misdiagnose poisoning as virus flu, by
>>>omitting toxicology, i.e., environmental reviews for their clients.