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Jim West <[log in to unmask]>
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Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:26:28 -0500
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I only respond to existing messages, so things might go more efficiently if you drop out.  Sam and I are probably reaching an end point soon.

While you're basking in your new found freedom, note that Dolan (1987) is not isolated.  The two URLs I ref'd cite others.  Simply Google related material.  You might start with the bottle labels in your chem lab and see how many have "flu symptom" warnings.

Many of those symptoms you would read are also AIDS symptoms, thus pointing to potential toxic causes for AIDS.

You live in New Jersey and you say that you don't see any potential toxic causes of AIDS symptoms?!

===Larry wrote====

Sorry, but at this point argument alone is not enough. What you claim is
true for flu misdiagnosis need not be true at all for HIV/AIDS, which is
what the discussion was about. I have learned nothing new from your

I think you need to provide evidence about HIV/AIDS and potential toxic
causes. You are still arguing by analogy to flu. Also, a solitary
reference form 1987 is weak evidence. Has no new evidence appeared since
Dolan to support your argument?

I disagree with you. An exchange that goes nowhere after repeated
requests for evidence about HIV/AIDS toxic causes is time consuming and
becomes annoying. Unfortunately, I am also repeating myself. See below.

I am asking you to stop, please.


On 11/16/13 9:38 AM, "Jim West" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>So far, all exchanges are brief, not time-consuming. I supplied a strong
>ref, Dolan (1987), which obviously sets a base for related discussion.
>The topic is important to this forum because a tradition exists here as
>demonstrated by the content of the ongoing discussion to which I
>interjected a counter-argument. I'm doing by best to stay focused and
>Dolan (1987) is the most important of my references, not a "grant
>proposal" you mention.
>With my date correction, Dolan (1987):
>³Subacute carbon monoxide poisoning is commonly misdiagnosed as an
>influenza-like viral illness. All patients presenting... with flu-like
>symptoms during February 1985 were asked to give blood samples for
>carboxyhemoglobin determination. ... ³
>³No patient with a carboxyhemoglobin level greater than or equal to 10%
>was diagnosed as having subacute CO poisoning by emergency physicians.
>Physicians must seek out the possibility of CO toxicity in patients
>with flu-like illness...²