Oh, and did I mention that said professor just happened to be on the
editorial board of Advance...?


On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Truex, Eleanor <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> I had a research liaison recently inform me that PubMed is a really good
> place to find research articles.
>
> Um...
>
>
> Eleanor Truex BSN, RN, MLIS
> Medical Librarian, Lakeshore Region
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Julie Stielstra
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 12:12 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
>
> My favorite was the nursing professor, who had many letters after her
> name, hired in to teach evidence-based nursing. She would ask me for
> searches, particularly specifying that I should be sure to check "Advance
> for Nurses," as it was (and I quote) "an excellent source of evidence-based
> information."
>
> ::thunk::
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Harrington, Molly - SJHMC <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Not just "evidence-based" but from a "peer-reviewed" journal. I have
> > yet to find a journal that doesn't call itself "peer-reviewed",
> > including most of those found on Mr. Beall's erstwhile list. When
> > nursing students come in with those parameters, I know that the
> > instructor hasn't a clue about what constitutes a quality publication.
> >
> > So annoying!
> >
> > Molly
> >
> > Molly Harrington, MLS, AHIP
> > Manager, Library Services
> >
> > Dignity Health
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Bontekoe, Karen
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 9:30 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
> >
> > Dignityhealth.org made the following annotations
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> >
> >
> > Do I hear you on this topic! I have both nurses trying to improve
> > things and nurses going back to school who want to work on topics
> > relevant to their work. It has gotten to the point where I can usually
> > tell if there might be some literature on the topic just by hearing it
> before looking.
> > These are great topics. Things that should be researched but as I tell
> > them, if no one has published it makes it really hard to find.
> >
> > As for those crazy requirements for what articles qualify for nurses
> > in school, this is truly one of my biggest pet peeves and a lot of my
> > APNs and nurse educators know how annoying this is to me. I mean if a
> > technique for preventing falls worked 10 years ago, what has changed
> > that would make that not valid today? Then telling them to find
> > "evidence-based articles" so then the poor nurses are looking for
> > articles that specifically state that they are evidence-based.
> Aaaarrrrgggggggghhhhhhh!
> >
> > Karen Bontekoe
> > Medical Librarian
> > Kaweah Delta Health Sciences Library
> > Kaweah Delta Health Care District
> > 400 W. Mineral King
> > Visalia, CA 93291-6207
> > Phone 559-624-2677
> > Fax 559-635-4051
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Truex, Eleanor
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 7:08 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [MEDLIB-L] CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
> >
> > Ha! I keep a list of the articles (and it is not long) that satisfy
> > the (I'm sorry, it must be said, insane) criteria by some of the local
> > nursing colleges. There is one in particular, not in this state, but
> > the next one over (and the RNs are usually doing distance-learning)
> > that is way over the top. I have to wonder if the profs realize that
> > what they are doing is completely turning students OFF of nursing
> > research. I've handled at least
> > 100 of these students and NONE of them have ever expressed an interest
> > in conducting research--this is merely a hoop they must jump through.
> > I'm not even sure if this approach teaches a healthy respect for
> > research after these folks realize they now have to write a paper on a
> > subject they have no interest in, but that meets the criteria laid out
> > by their prof. The profs at the over-the-top school even take points
> > off for first attempts at getting the criteria met (the paper isn't
> > even written yet!). Baffling if the goal is to create more n!
> >
> > ursing researchers...
> >
> > I confess I am puzzled by the university's librarians, but think that
> > perhaps they don't know about this practice? So many uni students
> > don't use their uni libraries as much as they should (and students
> > tend to think a library is a library is a library and it's more
> > convenient to stop in at work etc). Then again, perhaps they also
> > tired of beating their heads against that particular wall. I'm not
> > disparaging university librarians by any means; IMO the fault lies in
> > the original criteria and the approach to teaching nursing research.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eleanor Truex
> > Medical Librarian, Lakeshore Region
> >
> > THIS IS THE POWER OF COMPASSION.
> > THIS IS PRESENCE.
> >
> > Presence
> > Saint Francis Hospital
> > 355 Ridge Avenue | Evanston , IL 60202
> > Office: 847.316.2460
> >
> > Presence
> > Saint Joseph Hospital
> > 2900 North Lake Shore Drive | Chicago , IL 60657
> > Office: 773.665.3038
> > [log in to unmask]
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of Julie Stielstra
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 8:33 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
> >
> > I remember that battle all too well when I worked in a nursing school
> > library, and again (and worse this time!) when our hospital started
> > requiring BSN/MSN education of nurses and a zillion of them went back
> > to school, heavily through online courses. I had nurses in tears in
> > my office. In the actual nursing school, I gave a talk at faculty
> > meetings about the issue, and they totally got it, adding layers of
> > priority to their criteria. The distance-learning folks were out of
> > luck... faculty typically obdurate and would not budge - if it wasn't
> > peer-reviewed, less than 5 years old, authored by a nurse in a nursing
> > journal, they wouldn't accept it, period. It was so frustrating for
> the poor students.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Guessferd, Mary
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When working with students, I would notice they are so hung up on
> > > getting the research that checks off all the required boxes, that it
> > > became necessary to explain to them the nursing research cycle, and
> > > then send them back top their professors to request latitude when
> > > research those topics which were aging out of the 5 year rule. I
> > > noticed that this year many assignments had extended the limit back
> > > to
> > 10 years!
> > >
> > > Mimi Guessferd
> > > VA Medical Center
> > > Manchester, NH
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dina J. McKelvy [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 8:24 AM
> > > Subject: Re: CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
> > >
> > > Or the Jedi librarian response:
> > >
> > > "If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist!"
> > >
> > > http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jocasta_Nu
> > >
> > > !!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Truex, Eleanor
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 2:16 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
> > >
> > > I've gotten to the point (especially with nursing, which demands new
> > > research, constantly) of saying to those who just don't give up:
> > > looks like you might be the one who has to do the most recent
> > > research! I say it with a smile. 99.9% of them take my point. Good
> luck!
> > >
> > >
> > > Eleanor Truex
> > > Medical Librarian, Lakeshore Region
> > >
> > > THIS IS THE POWER OF COMPASSION.
> > > THIS IS PRESENCE.
> > >
> > > Presence
> > > Saint Francis Hospital
> > > 355 Ridge Avenue | Evanston , IL 60202
> > > Office: 847.316.2460
> > >
> > > Presence
> > > Saint Joseph Hospital
> > > 2900 North Lake Shore Drive | Chicago , IL 60657
> > > Office: 773.665.3038
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > presencehealth.org
> > >
> > > Connect with Presence Health
> > > Find a Doctor | Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Olson, Paula
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 12:12 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: CHAT: There are no articles on your subject
> > >
> > > Lately I’ve been getting requests for searches on what where hot
> > > topics from years ago. Hourly/purposeful rounding, infant alarms.
> > > Requestors want the last few years. There are not many articles
> > > written on hourly rounding from the last 2 years (according to
> > > CINAHL and OVID MEDLINE and please do not reply with search
> strategies).
> > > However, these people just don’t seem to understand that sometimes
> > > topics haven’t been updated. How do you reply nicely that “I’ve
> > > looked at the lit on your subject and there is nothing more current?”
> > > I guess that is one way, but sometimes people need to be hit over
> > > the
> > head.
> > >
> > > Paula Olson, M.S.
> > > Librarian
> > > Northwestern Medicine Delnor Hospital
> > >
> > > 300 Randall Rd.
> > > Geneva, IL 60134
> > > 630.208.4299 office
> > > [log in to unmask]
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> > Medicine Central DuPage Hospital
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> > Winfield, IL 60190
> > phone 630-933-4536
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> Julie Stielstra, MLS
> Manager, Libraries of Northwestern Medicine West Region Northwestern
> Medicine Central DuPage Hospital
> 25 N Winfield Rd
> Winfield, IL 60190
> phone 630-933-4536
> fax 630-933-4530
> email jstielstra [ at ] gmail.com
>
> "A good day is when nobody shows up and you don't have to go anywhere." -
> Burt Shavitz
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Julie Stielstra, MLS
Manager, Libraries of Northwestern Medicine West Region
Northwestern Medicine Central DuPage Hospital
25 N Winfield Rd
Winfield, IL 60190
phone 630-933-4536
fax 630-933-4530
email jstielstra [ at ] gmail.com

"A good day is when nobody shows up and you don't have to go anywhere." -
Burt Shavitz