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SKIVT-L  November 2017, Week 2

SKIVT-L November 2017, Week 2

Subject:

Re: HOW SAFE ARE ALPINE TOURING BINDINGS

From:

Leigh Daboll <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:30:16 -0500

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I once had a complete toepiece ripped off in air transit on a pair of
Fritschis but there is a great shop at the base of the Heavenly Gondola that
had me fixed me up right away with a replacement toepiece.

I will give everyone a report on any pre-release issues with the Marker
Kingpins 13s. I have two sets now to get mounted.  Never mounted the first
pair last year because of my lingering knee issue. I'm hoping they will be
the best of both worlds, but with my luck it will be the worst of both
worlds: super fiddly toepieces, and less reliable heelpieces.

...we shall see.  They are going to be mounted on the Folsum Customs and the
new DPS powder boards I am buying to - at long last - replace my old and
faithful Pontoons.

BTW, received arthroscopic knee surgery on September 22nd, was walking the
same afternoon, and feel pretty good as of the last few weeks - certainly
better than all of last season.

Looking forward to the start of my ski season on December 9th at Vail! 

J. LEIGH DABOLL 
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I found the faceplant aka "Instant Tele" to be a too common occurence with
Fritschis.  Dynafits, not at all.  Only time my Dynafits released when I
didn't think they should was skinning a firm sidehill when I hadn't pulled
the toe levers up far enough.

A hint for anyone using Vertical ST's (my binding-of-choice) is to unscrew
the heel turrent before packing the skis for airline travel.

PaulT


On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 15:28:27 -0500, LASH wrote:

>I found that whenever I would go into a sharp dip the skis would bend 
>and the bindings would release and I would inevitably be sprung into a 
>faceplant...no fun. this happened enough times to know that it is the 
>bindings with that kind of terrain and that it was not a good choice 
>for inbounds skiing. Since I had so much sciatic pain in the last few 
>years I stopped touring and just kept with good alpine bindings. In 
>fact, I think that the failed bindings and also a failed brake one time 
>after the skis had traveled, may have been the cause of all the 
>sciatica. Now that the pain is gone and I can make my way on skis 
>vertically and uphill, I was considering an AT set up or perhaps 
>resurrecting my old skis and bindings for those days that I might 
>choose to earn turns. Honestly, I prefer the downhill and would rather 
>ride a lift up, but I see the benefits of skinning and I surely could 
>use a good aerobic workout. Trying to get into shape for ski season...maybe
I will excavate the skier's edge from storage.
>
>On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Kevin Broderick 
><[log in to unmask]
>> wrote:
>
>> So, to summarize: sideways release at the toe does a good job of 
>> protecting the tibia, because the tibia is centered on the release 
>> pivot point and the torque is measured at the other end of the boot. 
>> Sideways release at the heel isn't so great at protecting the tibia, 
>> because the pivot point is a bootsole away, thus increasing the 
>> torque felt on the tibia before release if force is applied forward 
>> of the toe and decreasing it if force is applied behind the toe. This 
>> has the side effect of generally reducing force on the knee prior to 
>> release, thus mitigating ACL risk. Did I get that right?
>>
>> Anecdotally, I have to be careful while buckling my boots in my tech 
>> bindings (Radical ST 2.0 on my touring setup and Beast 16 on powder 
>> boards), or I'll twist out of the binding. Not usually an issue while 
>> standing still, but trying to buckle boots while sliding away from 
>> the unload station on a powder day can result in a release. I've also 
>> had both sets of Dynafit-mounted skis release when I goofed up a kick 
>> turn, well before feeling any significant torque on my leg.
>>
>> I have not had problems with either in respect to general 
>> release/retention-I think I've had one or two crash-related releases, 
>> but I've not had either come off during skiing once they were on 
>> properly (just like an alpine binding, if you try to step into the 
>> binding when the binding and/or the boot are caked in snow and ice, 
>> you may get a false engagement).
>>
>> With that said, having already broken one tibia as a result of a poor 
>> match between binding (and binding settings) and chosen activity, I 
>> think I'll be putting the Tectrons on my next pair of AT-mounted skis.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Randy Witlicki 
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   iSki wrote:
>>>
>>> >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIx8vIHEec
>>>
>>>   There  is also:
>>>
>>> https://www.wildsnow.com/15123/tech-binding-release-testing-
>>> acl-broken-leg/
>>>
>>>   (long with lots of tech stuff)
>>>
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