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COMMUNET  December 1993, Week 2

COMMUNET December 1993, Week 2

Subject:

Serving Non-Profit Organizations

From:

Putnam Barber <[log in to unmask]>

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I'm glad to see a group forming around this concept/issue/opportunity.
 
Arthur McGee's point (below) about variations in interests based on size
suggests that there's a fruitful subtopic for further discussion in the
'mapping' of the on-line service onto the universe of nonprofits.  I
don't think either of the current technologies in widespread use is
exactly suited to this need (nor for that matter to others).  Maybe if I
extend this thought a little, people with more experience will be able to
help match the mechanisms to the need.
 
But first, the system we design (or adopt) for nonprofits needs to be
strongly inclusive.  Which means:
 
(1) it needs to be built on a familiar metaphor:  mail (as in listservs)
seems most promising to me because 'everyone' is used to getting and
sending mail and can readily see the advantages of automating some of the
details of handling mail (even if they don't appreciate the subtleties of
how that can change the way business gets done), and
 
(2) it needs to be able to struggle through the various technical
barriers that subdivide the net -- different platforms, different
software, different cultures, different timezones, etc, etc.  Again, this
suggests a mail metaphor, since messages seem to have the greatest
ability to make their way through these mazes and come out hte other end
with most of their utility intact.
 
But, the diversity of the nonprofit world suggests that a single listserv
will never reach more than a fraction of the potential beneficiaries (and
would waste vast amounts of human readers' time with messages of marginal
utility if it did).  And my limited experience with newsgroups suggests
that the 'overhead' necessary to maintain access to the groups is likely
to be a real barrier for many sites and potential beneficiaries.
 
So....  What we really need is a hierarchical (in the net, not the
political, sense) listserv.  Does such an animal exist?  It would allow
you to subscribe to 'everything' or 'everything.some_limit' or
'everything.some_limit.some_more_limit' (etc.).  The parallel to the
newsgroups hierarchy is completely intentional.
 
And it would allow you to post in the same way.
 
Perhaps examples will make this clearer:
 
Information about a planned change in the IRS rules affecting eligibility
for tax-exempt status would be posted to "nonprofits" and 'everyone' in
the group would see it as mail.
 
Information about a national conference for low-income housing
development would be posted to "nonprofits.housing.national" and only
that subset of 'everyone' who had subscribed to that portion of the list
would see it.
 
Information about a conference for nonprofit low-income housing
developers in Washington state would be posted to
"nonprofits.housing.washington", &c.
 
But, the hardy could subscribe in the form "nonprofits.housing.*" if they
wished, and see all the traffic that was posted in that more general area.
 
Ideally, there should be a way to 'flag' messages to indicate the length
of time they should be archived as well.  A conference announcement
should be automatically expunged from the collective memory as soon as
the conference is passed (conference developers who want files of such
announcements for reference are on their own to develop their own
files).  The proceedings of the conference should probably hang
around longer and be accessible by some gopher-like process.  Etc. again.
 
I think we can count on the non-profit world to have a good deal of
self-discipline about using a system like this.  The chances that someone
would knowingly and repeatedly post notices of their local SIG meeting to
'nonprofits' with no modifiers can be considered small.  And their might
be a way to build a little discipline into the system too, by equipping
the listprocessor with a variant of the newsgroup 'kill file' that could
be set to automatically return to sender mail from known and
unrehabilitated offenders.
 
That last point suggests that there would need to be some self-governance
for this system as well (again the newsgroups provide a model that I know
too little about).  Here too I think we'll find the nonprofit world is
rich with people who would be willing to serve in the various leadership
and resource roles maintaining such a system would require.  Some thought
needs to be given up front to how to integrate that governance into the
design of the system itself, so there is only one technology that needs to
be mastered.
 
These thoughts need to be extended and modified.  But that's enough for
this morning.  :-)
 
Putnam Barber
Seattle
--------------------------
 
On Thu, 9 Dec 1993, Arthur R. McGee wrote:
 
> ...there is no COMMON discussion area for them. A
> non-profit should not have to have several accounts on different systems
> just to keep up with those who share common interests and goals.
>
> By the way, if a list is started, it should actually be two lists. One
> geared towards larger organizations and the other for medium to
> grassroots size. Someone at PBS reminded me of the wide difference in
> focus depending on size.
>
> Art
>

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