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COMMUNET  December 1994, Week 1

COMMUNET December 1994, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Getting things rolling

From:

Charles Stewart <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Communet: Community and Civic Network Discussion List

Date:

Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:24:20 -0800

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John,
 
        Thanks for submitting your ballot into the PDP process.
        I agree that you are right when on Nov 29th concerning the
first Communet ballot you you relayed to me in a private message the
following:
 
>       I think we should have more basic questions at this stage,
>and allow for people who are not necessarily up to speed on the
>latest software or the complexities of on-line voting options.
>Thus we should ask whether or not people agree that direct
>democracy has a role to play, or whether they are (always/ever)
>prepared to leave it to their 'elected representatives' to vote
>on their behalf on any issue (or does this depend on how they are
>elected in the first place, and what the mechanisms are for
>getting rid of them?).
>
>       If they so agree, then we should discuss the ideal voting
>system by looking at options - NOT at this stage actual software,
>but principles - and discussing their merits and demerits.
>
>       I am not sure if the whole exercise is workable
 
        Your observation, I feel is true. I hope you don't mind my
taking this discussion public, I feel everyone will benefit from
these issues you have raised.
        But actually, The previous questions were not targeted for
the entire Communet group, but rather those of us who were actually
involved in the various "getting it rolling" strings. It was a trial
balloon which catered to the particular issues being discussed up
until that point in those strings.
        However, as you point out, for the process to grow, it needs
to focus on more generic fundamental issues at this point.
Philosophical corner stones have to be laid. And I think you raised
some valuable questions to aid in this process to be placed into
future questionnaires. I have taken the liberty of rewording them as
listed below. Please edit them for your approval and we will submit
them at that point into future editions of the Communet portion of
the PDP questionnaire. Add any others that you think would be good.
And this goes for everyone reading this who wishes to get involved.
I composed them as follows:
 
        *********************************************
 
CN17: Do you agree that direct democracy has a role to play in the
governing process?
 
CN18: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
You prefer to leave the responsibility of deciding issues of
governing to your elected representative.
 
CN19: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
Your confidence in leaving the responsibility of deciding issues
of governing to your elected representative could be affected
significantly by changes in how those elected representatives are
elected.
 
CN20: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
Your confidence in your elected representative could be enhanced
significantly by the development and implementation of mechanisms
for recalling that representative.
 
CN21: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
At this time (end of 1994) we should focus primarily on what our
options are for the ideal voting system, and the merits and
demerits and principles behind each of those various voting
systems.
 
CN22: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
At this time (end of 1994) we should focus primarily on what the
actual software which we will eventually choose to use to run our
system on will be.
 
CN23: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
You feel many so called problems could be overcome by an open
format wherein everyone's votes are transparent, as they were in
Athens and are in the Swiss Communes.
 
CN24: Please enter higher numbers closer to 100 to indicate that:
You feel that using secret ballots are in the best interests of
society.
 
        ***********************************************
 
        Well that's how I worded your questions. I am personally very
supportive of issues raised in Q's #'s 23 & 24. I personally would
enter responses to them at about at CN23: 93, and CN24: 3. As I
said, please reword any or all of the questions as you think they
best reflect your views and we will include them in future
ballots. And thanks for participating!!!
 
 
        Charles Stewart at 39275 Hood St, # D; Sandy Oregon, PZ-97055
                ph-503-668-5091. [log in to unmask]
            Producer of the Portland area MCTV cable access show:
                the "Participatory Democracy Project".
        "I know of no safe depository of the powers of society but
        the people themselves; and if we think they will not exercise
        control with discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
        them, but to educate them. ***"  T. Jefferson, 1821

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