Rick,

I have tried, but they were forwarded because they called me on my hand.  
I was not afraid for the world to see what I said to these gentlemen.  
They did the same thing to me, and you didn't hear me cry foul.  This is 
a public forum after all.  I am willing to share any and all posts that I 
have responded to on this net.  I will not run and hide from any post I 
have put on this net.

On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Rick Cooley wrote:

> Ed,
> 
> While I am sympathetic with where you appear to be coming from, I must 
> agree with Anthony on this one point. Never, to my knowledge, has anyone 
> said that someone must be excluded from the conversation because they are 
> white. Some nasty words have passed between the two of you recently, and 
> some of them were, in my view, totally inapproriately forwarded to 
> UVMTODAY. Please try to be more circumspect in future email exchanges.
> 
> Rick Cooley			
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> On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Emiliano Zapata wrote:
> 
> > Ed:
> > 
> > When have you proven this, Ed? Where has this statement been posted about 
> > people with white skin? You cannot prove it because it was never spoken 
> > by a knowledgeable person who *knows* what the racism struggle on campus 
> > is about. No brag. Just fact.
> > 
> > eZ
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Ed wrote:
> > 
> > > Anthony,
> > > 
> > > You and I have gone round and round about this subject.  I have proven 
> > > what has been said.  Jeff, Daren and you have consistently flamed me for 
> > > my views and never truly looked at what I was saying to you.
> > > 
> > > I am very honest and sincere.  I know what is going on out in the world.  
> > > Serving six years in the Submarine service has given an education that I 
> > > can not buy!!!
> > > 
> > > I want to see leaders live up to what they are preaching, and acknowledge 
> > > when they slip up and say something that is wrong!
> > > 
> > > I have admitted when I was wrong in what I have said.  Some people have 
> > > yet to come forward.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Emiliano Zapata wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Ed wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Thank you for finally addressing an issue that I feel needed to be 
> > > > > brought forward here at this University!  No one should be afraid to 
> > > > > discuss issues about race and the history of this country with race and the 
> > > > > school itself.  The people who continually attack and confront a person 
> > > > > for their opinion on the basis, "That because you are white, and you were 
> > > > > brought up in a country with a history of abuse along racial lines, means 
> > > > > you can not participate in the debate due to your skin being white." is 
> > > > > very wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed:  I agree. It is very wrong for someone to be told what you cite 
> > > > here. Now, sir, I will ask you to do what white people are always telling 
> > > > people of color to do when they are shut out: Prove that this has happened.
> > > > 
> > > > There is plenty of archival information from UVM today. Show us all where 
> > > > this has been said. And if you don't have the time perhaps Cooley, 
> > > > Bishop, Rein, or any other white person who is insinuating that they have 
> > > > been shut out can show all of us that this has happened. 
> > > > 
> > > > While you are at it, maybe some of you who are claiming to be so clear on
> > > > the issues would try at least *once* to articulate the central arguments and
> > > > principles which the Commission and OMA and ALANA students at large were
> > > > presenting. 
> > > > 
> > > > The perception I have of the people who are crying "shutout!" is that they
> > > > cannot articulate the platform of the opposition and therefore cannot be
> > > > viewed as 1) people of good will 2) responsible members of the UVM
> > > > community and 3) anti-racist. It seems to me that "goodwill" and 
> > > > responsibility go hand in hand with good faith.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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