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COMMUNET  September 1996, Week 2

COMMUNET September 1996, Week 2

Subject:

Re: PPP access from CNs

From:

[log in to unmask] (Donald Chan)

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Date:

Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:26:25 -0400

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>On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Donald Chan wrote:
>
>> In future, I will stick to discussing affordable internet access and
>> trying to "level the playing field". No I am not a Clinton supporter,
>> I just believe in Moore's law and believe community nets should offer
>> PPP access as well as text to enable their constituents an opportunity
>> to see the modern internet. 
>> 
>> 	                  Donald [log in to unmask]
>
>An interesting belief, coming from a freenet that as near as I can tell
>from looking at their webpages dose NOT offer PPP access.  What has been
>the NCF's response to your suggestions for PPP service?  Do you believe
>PPP access should be part of the universal and FREE access?  (I think your
>answer is "yes"?)  Does charging near-market rates for PPP, and using that

Actually I advocate charging very little or nothing for this, as it
should be part of the Community Network (but thats just my opinion).
Public money is being spent on Freenets, but like public libraries, 
the money is not wasted if the community benefits. So why not PPP?
I believe NCF will start PPP access soon (I am just a member here.)

The follow up letter to your post from the Calgary freenet gives many reasons
for offering PPP (which I hope they will eventually offer to all users as 
a free service). That action speaks better than any words. Calgary FN
has shown that it does not need to follow larger freenets; but will no 
doubt lead them instead. I hope NCF, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and
even Cleveland take note of this and act quickly to serve their communites.
As noted before, ISP's may complain, but they do seem to benefit a lot from
the freenets and all the business generated for them.

>to subsidize a free text-only service level, promote or hinder the goals
>of a CN? Have you been able to convince any of the commercial service
>providers to start giving away PPP for free?  What model do you have in

Do you recall AT&T giving 5 hrs a month free, that was matched by 
MCI, and Sprint I think. The long distance players will be large Commercial
ISP's. Why should I try to convince them of anything, there is some logic
to their doing this:  $$$$ and profits. In the war between cable and
telcos market share is a known strategy. Switching email address is a 
pain. Free for limited time, almost all ISP's will do that for a month
if you give them a credit card number:  AOL, GNN, Netcom, etc.

>mind for the relationship of commercial ISPs and community networks when
>one is giving away what the other is trying to make a living on?  Can CNs
>afford to be competitors of commercial ISPs? 
They provide complementary services in most places, and are not real 
competitors. CNs use slower modems, since rack mounts are expensive
this is unlikely to change soon. Commercial services thrive on business
customers for whom time is money, hence willingness to pay for speed.
Learning and training that CN's provide, mostly for free, serves 
to feed the commercial ISP's. They should support freenets, its in their
interest to do so.

>PPP access has been the #1 request here, too, but I haven't comfortable
>enough with the answers to many of the above questions to back it
>100%.
>
>I assume you've given this a lot of thought; I know I have in my role on a
>CN board.  I'd like to hear how you've answered the above questions that
>I've asked myself and others over the past year.  (Anyone else who has
>answers, please feel free to share them too!)
>
>  -- Brad Whitlock
I think of public libraries (Carnegie's contribution to the public) 
as places where poor and moderate income people have access to information
approaching access levels that the wealthy have. (Harvard aside) Many public
libraries far exceed what most private collections hold today. IF
we believe our politicians, North America will be connected by 2000;
(public libraries and schools that is.)

The internet is a new form of information and communications built by
public and private people from all over the world. Equal access can
be and should be a goal of our society.  Use Moore's law. Why not PPP? 

					Donald ([log in to unmask])



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