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COMMUNET  September 1996, Week 2

COMMUNET September 1996, Week 2

Subject:

Re: PPP access from CNs (fwd)

From:

Brad Whitlock <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:17:06 -0500 (CDT)

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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Donald Chan wrote:

> Actually I advocate charging very little or nothing for this, as it
> should be part of the Community Network (but thats just my opinion).
> Public money is being spent on Freenets, but like public libraries, 
> the money is not wasted if the community benefits. So why not PPP?

Not all freenets are publicly funded; ours started with a state grant but
now depends solely on fees and donations from users and info providers.  I
rather like not adding to people's tax burden, and I see there's at least
one other libertarian active here that probably agrees with that.  If the
goal is not to be the masters lording it over the commoners, we should
start by not taking their money by force.

> They provide complementary services in most places, and are not real 
> competitors. CNs use slower modems, since rack mounts are expensive
> this is unlikely to change soon. Commercial services thrive on business
> customers for whom time is money, hence willingness to pay for speed.
> Learning and training that CN's provide, mostly for free, serves 
> to feed the commercial ISP's. They should support freenets, its in their
> interest to do so.

Different viewpoints of what's 2nd class & what's acceptable, I guess.  We
have 28.8Kbps modems, and I will not be content offering slow speeds and
busy signals as the "price" of a free account.  I'm all for fast, there
when you need it access, and consider anything less second class.  Are you
saying you'd rather have graphics, but over a 9600bps line that's usually
busy?  What good is that?

> I think of public libraries (Carnegie's contribution to the public) 
> as places where poor and moderate income people have access to information
> approaching access levels that the wealthy have. (Harvard aside) Many public
> libraries far exceed what most private collections hold today.

That's a useful but not 100% analogy.  A library is still more limited
than a private collection: I can't keep the books forever, I can't get at
them whenever I want.  Are similar restrictions on free PPP acceptable,
such as daily or per-session time limits (which are usually in effect for
text accounts anyway, so I guess it's no big deal)?

  -- Brad Whitlock

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