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COMMUNET  September 1997, Week 2

COMMUNET September 1997, Week 2

Subject:

Re: CN Demographic Information?

From:

David McMurtrey <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

David McMurtrey <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:37:22 -0400

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On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Vigdor Schreibman - FINS wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, David McMurtrey wrote:
>
> > For most it is an incredible reference resource and
> > a great place for self-expression.
>
> It is precisely the misguided over emphasis on self and disregard for
> the larger whole that is the only way to achieve true individuality,
> which dooms your perception of the role of electronic communications.
>

Sheesh Vigdor, I reveal a little of what is important to me and you
lable me a libertarian. For your information there is much more to my
vision than can be revealed in a single posting to this list. I don't
like lables other than names ... mine being David McMurtrey. I would
appreciate it if you would try to resist the temptation to put me in a
neat little box with a lable on it...at least until you actually do have
some conception of what I believe.

> >
> > While I now work with youth mostly online, I have been in our local
> > schools as a parent and an educational technologist. The students in
> > our schools bear no resemblence to what you describe. We don't have kids
> > firebombing anyone or threatening others with lethal weapons. If we did,
> > I would be very concerned and trying to figure out what to do about it.
>
> That is because you live in a dream world. The students I have
> describe are the population of American students described by
> this nation's most renown scholars. You are not concerned about
> the larger picture because it would pierce your psychology of
> denial.

heh ... now I am a libertarian who is not concerned about the larger
picture because I am in denial. Not so, I never said that I don't care
about the larger picture. In fact, it is precisely because I do care
about the big picture that I am involved in community networking. We
actually have very similar concerns but we go about addressing them in
very different ways.

> > Everything seems to be black or white to you, no grey seems to be allowed.
>
> Alright, lets talk about the grey and the black and white too.
> A viable strategy for the new media must address the whole.
>
> I readily accept that there is much in American life that is
> the essence of ordered liberty, but far too much and the greater
> part that is so dreadful as to be mind boggling. My job is not
> to disregard what is going well, but to overcome what is not
> going well and to shake out of complacency the privileged groups
> which are blind to these larger realities.
>

I am not advocating a libertarian existence. I agree that any viable
strategy must address the whole. However I must point out that there can
be no forest without trees. My strategy is to grow healty trees. Healthy
trees know their place in the forest.

> If my perspective underscores the American disease, too much to
> your liking, your perspective on a libertarian existence is
> morally corrupt, and systemically dysfunctional. I am willing
> to meet you half way and sing praises for the success of
> America, are you willing to integrate into your perspective the
> vital need for thinking and acting beyond the narrow self?
>
> Can we not start that better integration through a sound
> collaborative effort that seeks to make the most of this
> potentially wondrous, new medium?
>

You need not sing any praises of America to satisfy me. My concern is the
fate of the human race. I agree with you that there are gross injustices
- social, economic, etc. However I believe that the cure lies within each
individual. I don't believe that the answer is attack our institutions,
corporations, etc ... they are just symptoms of the problem. Their
character will not change until the character of the individuals who run
them changes.

>
> Maybe there is a glimmer of hope for us all in your vision,
> David, if a larger integration is within your potential.
> Is this adjustment possible?
>

We share the same concerns Vigdor. We approach those concerns in very
different ways but I think we are making progress and are beginning to
communicate with each other. If _we_ can do that, then anything is
possible. I would like to continue this dialogue with you but not in this
thread. I for one am sick of seeing the subject "Re: CN Demographic
Information?" and I bet a lot of other people are too.

David McMurtrey

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm v o y a g e r mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [log in to unmask]

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