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COMMUNET September 1997, Week 2

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Envisioning CN

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FI>On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, David McMurtrey wrote:


FI>> Vigdor, you are passionate in presenting your case.  You have tried to be
FI>> diplomatic at times and downright nasty and insulting at other times in
FI>> attempts to bend this group to your will.

FI>  I have made no effort to bend anyone's will.  I was invited to
FI>  facilitate a dialogue concerning the shared purposes and values
FI>  of Community Networking.  I offered no preferred directions but
FI>  invested my time to manage the process only, in an entirely
FI>  impartial way.  No one objected.  The stonewall came later.


FI>  Yet, despite all your efforts,
FI>> not one person has responded to your call.

FI>  I made no call.  The call came from Madeline and her colleagues,
FI>  who added my name to theirs.

FI>  I can't speak for everyone
FI>> else but I will tell you why I have not participated in your envisioning
FI>> process.

FI>  While the envisioning process was not mine but one that the AFCN
FI>  invited and supported, I am delighted to learn at this time what
FI>  your objections are.  It would have been better to learn about
FI>  your ideas and objections before not after the process took place.

FI>>
FI>> I never "agreed" to participate in your process.  I don't believe it is
FI>> possible or even desirable to arrive at a common definition of the
FI>> "implict purposes governing all community networks." We are all different
FI>> and we each have our own sets of objectives and means of survival.  Our
FI>> communities are different and have unique needs, standards, etc based upon
FI>> demographics, economics, geographic location, etc.  Some of us operate for
FI>> profit, others are non-profit.  It is up to each of us to define our own
FI>> networks.

FI>  The possibility of arriving at a common definition of community
FI>  networks is beyond question.  This kind of integration of ideas is
FI>  a well known process.  Had you inquired I could have shown you
FI>  the many many examples where this has been done at every level of
FI>  the civilization: group, organization, neighborhood, community, state,
FI>  society, nation, global.

FI>>
FI>> We also disagree regarding the formation of AFCN.  I see a need for such
FI>> an organization for reasons I have already stated.  Your "envisioning
FI>> process" was instigated under the auspicious of the AFCN movement yet you
FI>> now denounce AFCN because no one has marched to the beat of your drum.

FI>  I agreed to facilitate the process and support the AFCN only if it
FI>  would operate so as to facilitate stakeholder involvement in the
FI>  decision making process.  I am unalterably opposed to any entity
FI>  that seeks to speak for the people who are affected; they must be
FI>  encouraged and facilitated to speak for themselves.

FI>>
FI>> Beyond that, I must say that I see serious problems with your people
FI>> skills.  You cannot expect people to take you seriously when you are so
FI>> inconsistant in your dealings with them.  I think you are sincere in your
FI>> beliefs but I really don't like the total lack of respect that you
FI>> demonstrate towards me and the rest of this group.  You are like a small
FI>> child who wants his cake and wants to eat it too.  Whenever you don't get
FI>> your way through diplomacy, you throw a temper tantrum and insult those
FI>> whom you are trying to convince...this is not a good strategy.

FI>  I suppose it is fair game to start throwing insults around.  This is
FI>  the Internet! Harvard University, professor of business management,
FI>  George Lodge, described in the American Disease 63-64 (1984), the
FI>  crisis in the evolution of society.  Lodge said this crisis resembles,
FI>  "the ailment of a troubled adolescent."  The child like behavior that
FI>  Lodge was speaking about bears no resemblance to what I am calling
FI>  for, namely, participatory governance, but it does look similar to the
FI>  attitude you express, which is a serious barrier to effectiveness.

FI>>
FI>> All of us have ideas ... some good, others not so good.  The best measure
FI>> of their relevance to others is how others respond to them.

FI>  I agree.

FI>  By expressing ideas on the important topics that affect their lives
FI>  people can begin to understand each other and find the path to
FI>  a society of true individuals by creative integration of their ideas.
FI>  This is the way that powerful relationships are built.  This is the
FI>  basis of a true community.  The idea that Community Networkers can
FI>  build community by merely constructing a technology, is not serious.
FI>  If you do not learn how to engage in community building among
FI>  yourselves the possibilities of your building and deploying the
FI>  technology to serve community simply does not exist.

FI>  Presentation
FI>> can make a difference.  I think if you had shown us what you envision
FI>> rather than trying to force us to participate in your process, you might
FI>> have had a bit more success.  The best way to lead is by example.  What
FI>> is your vision Vigdor?

FI>  The decision to stonewall the process was an ill-considered decision, whic
FI>  I will do my best to persuade you and others to reconsider.  I am not
FI>  going to force anyone to do anything, that comes when the corporate
FI>  mob exercises their power of control, as they are doing all over the
FI>  world and throughout this once great nation.

FI>  My vision for community networking is not the issue.  I prefer not
FI>  to influence the outcome, but would rather help open the door for
FI>  everyone with a stake in this decision to express their own ideas
FI>  freely and fairly.  However, I would be glad to show examples of other
FI>  similar undertakings for those who wish to study the process.  This is
FI>  an offer that I made at the outset.  It still stands.


FI>Vigdor Schreibman - FINS <[log in to unmask]>
FI>[Browse the new Fins Information Age Library,
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