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Subject:

Re: Community Databases (was Re: Tech Review article)

From:

Kathryn Clodfelter <[log in to unmask]>

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Community and Civic Network discussion list <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:49:24 -0600

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Embedded below are my responses to Kevin's post  regarding SGML. Also, I've
attached an article on XML forwarded to the Indiana Community Network
Association (ICNA) list serve from Mike Ney, ICNA's Board President (Thanks,
Mike).

Kathryn Clodfelter
President, Board of Directors
Crawford County Community Network
www.cccn.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin C. Marsh <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Community Databases (was Re: Tech Review article)


>Kathryn Clodfelter wrote:
>>I've been interested for quite some time in using SGML (Standard
Generalized
>>Markup Language), and now XML (Extensible Markup Language), to accomplish
>>exactly what is being proposed with this thread.

<snip>

>The first step is to establish a common element set for community
>networking.  Even without an encoding standard, this element set
implemented
>under Z39.50 would allow intersearchability across mulitiple databases.
The
>USMARC concise format for community information is the logical starting
>point for such an element set.  (Thank you Kathryn for the URL!)

Actually, Kevin, that URL, along with several other resources, was provided
by Ann Bishop of the U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I just referenced
it in my note. I'm not familiar at all with USMARC other than awareness that
it exists and is widely used in libraries. However, I'm all for building on
standards like that that have already been developed and are in widespread
use.

>
>Questions:
>What other standards should be considered?  (UWASIS?  others?)

Based on some of the posts to this list serve, it appears that a lot of
effort has already been put into developing Access and other databases for
community information. I think this is an ideal opportunity to build on
those efforts. As I mentioned in my earlier post, Access has two major
drawbacks that SGML does not - SGML is not proprietary (meaning you aren't
tied in to any one vendor's tools, as you are with Microsoft Access and
other databases) and SGML also allows for the "coding" of large chunks of
text.

>
>Are there additional fields or encoding standards needed for our desired
>functionality?  Precise date and time standards would be especially
critical
>to support calendar creation.

It's because of these kinds of considerations that I think we will need to
bring in SGML "specialists" - those who have already implemented SGML-based
systems on a large scale. Many major companies like Caterpillar and Cummins
Engine - and even the U.S. Military - have been using SGML-based systems for
years. Large scale implementations usually involve a variety of software
tools, including document management and workflow systems.

>>This is
>>the part that takes time and cooperation among all parties. It can be long
>>and painful, just like any database development project. The resulting
>>deliverable is a Document Type Definition (DTD).
>
>I agree about the process, but I think that the FIRST deliverable is an
>element set.  From there a DTD should be comparatively easy to construct.

I agree that the element set should be first. I think it would be fairly
easy for a small group of us to get started on this simply by looking at the
existing community network web sites. We can then post a draft element list
to the communet list serve and let the full group brainstorming process
begin. I still feel, for most folks, having to think like a database can be
a painful and daunting process, so I hate to bog everyone down in the
technical details of specifying things like one-to-one & zero-to-many
relationships, which we will have to start doing when we get to the DTD
portion.

>
>>2) Then you establish a mechanism for capturing or entering CONTENT into
the
>>specified fields.
>
>I have a program that takes data from any DBMS in tab-delimited ascii and
>generates HTML or and other tagged ascii format files, using an
>easily-customized ascii template.  A CGI script to do the same with data
>from a Web form would be fairly simple, but it raises the issue of
>authenticating the incoming data.

If XML really takes off as it's predicted in the below article, I have a
hunch that the proponents of XML will spur the major vendors to come up with
very easy to use mechanisms for capturing and coding content - just as has
happened for HTML.

As for authenticating the incoming data, I'm not much of a proponent for one
centralized authenticated tightly-controlled community database (although I
concede it may wind up being necessary); rather, I'm all for linking to and
searching the many individual community network databases (tagged in either
SGML or XML) that will result from this effort, if we do it right. I
envision that an AFCN-maintained front-end, similar to that already
developed by Andrew's group in Australia (http://www.infoxchange.net.au/db),
would ultimately be developed - with a focus at least initially, however, on
general community content rather than agency-specific information.

The AFCN has the potential for playing a big role here by helping make the
tools and TRAINING available (built-in to the grant proposal, of course) for
community networks to create their own content following standardized
"tagging" conventions as outlined in a community network DTD (Document Type
Definition). However, the individual community networks should maintain and
publish their own content to allow for individual web site "look and feel"
and protection of "sensitive" community information - which has already been
expressed as a major concern about implementing a community network-wide
database.

I can appreciate the concerns voiced by some about community networks not
being particularly good about maintaining current information. However, I
predict that within a very short time, there will be a great deal of
pressure for SOMEONE, if not the community networks, then someone else, to
make sure community information is current and accurate and on the Internet.
The key is to make getting that information on the Internet as simple a
process as possible. HTML was just a stepping stone for this; XML should
really start making things happen, and it would be great for the AFCN to be
in the forefront of this effort.

>So shall I start drafting the grant proposal to identify an element
>set, define a DTD and a Z39.50 profile, and identify/create freeware
>searching, calendar, and report generator tools?  Who else would like to be
>involved with such a project? Nancy? Philip? David? Ann? Gary? Kim?
>
>Can AFCN sponsor, endorse, coordinate, or otherwise support such a project?

These are excellent suggestions for getting started, Kevin. I'm with you. I
think a small group of us can get this started, get a deliverable out there
so the rest of the group has a better idea of what we're talking about in
real terms with the SGML/XML talk, and then take it from there. Since it is
a project with such potentially far reaching benefits (as well as
substantial costs), getting the grant proposal together, hopefully with the
blessing of the AFCN, should be the highest priority.

Kathryn

>
>Kevin C. Marsh, Executive Director
>Information Access Institute
>[log in to unmask]     http://Information.org

-------------------------------
World Wide Web Journal: Volume 2, Issue 4
                 By Dan Connolly, Guest Editor
                           Fall 1997
           266 pages, ISBN: 1-56592-349-9, $29.95 (US)
The World Wide Web Consortium's XML (eXtensible Markup Language) is
poised to take the Web beyond the limitations of HTML. A simple,
powerful subset of SGML (Standard General Markup Language), XML allows
you to define your own markup language using application-specific
meanings. The Fall '97 issue of the World Wide Web Journal, "XML:
Principles, Tools, and Techniques," provides a first look at the
technical specifications and early applications of this new data format
that will rock every aspect of the Web: markup, linking, and exchange.
The shift to XML will unleash a diverse range of new applications.
Mathematical equation structures are encoded in XML in the World Wide
Web Consortium (W3C)'s new MathML specification. Databases can be
automatically published to the Web, schemas intact. New metainformation
systems can document the structure of Web content using the Web. New
XML-savvy access protocols can selectively address and download
portions of XML documents. New browsers and client tools can animate
and script XML's object model with ease. Style sheets can automate
rendering decisions for new XML tags, not just on the screen, but for
printers, aural output, and beyond.

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