Dear Stan and others interested, > Wolfram, > Could you point me toward the reference for the acetylene method. I have > always been very curious about it. > Thanks. Stan > Including yours, I have now received three enquiries as to the acetylene method. So, I decided to Cc it to the discussion list, in case there are others who might like to give it a go. A word of caution though, a colleague and good friend of mine, who is an old hand in all matters isotopic, tried it and got funny numbers. We are not sure why this is. All I can hope is that it's not associated with the batch / quality of the calcium carbide. Here's the method we currently use and which works (so far): A calcium carbide pellet (approx. 20 mg) [Aldrich Chemicals] is placed into an Exetainer (screw top/septum glass tube, approx. volume 11 mL). The Exetainer tube is evacuated and subsequently filled with helium; 3-5 microliter of urine sample are carefully pippetted onto the wall of the Exetainer tube (bottom half of tube while the tube is held at an angle of >45 degree). The tube is then closed, held upright and rotated around its longitudinal axis to enable an even reaction between the calcium carbide and the sample. We allow a reaction time of 30 minutes (just to be on the safe side; the reaction is very fast; takes only seconds, actually). The acetylene gas thus generated is analysed by CF-IRMS. Sample gas is carried by He (90 ml/min) through a water trap (MgClO4) and purified on a 50 cm packed column (Carbon Sieve G; 1/4" O.D.) maintained at 125 C. Isotope ratios are measured on a 20-20 IRMS (Europa Scientific), monitoring mass ratio 27/26. On our instrument, HT is typically set to 4180 V. A standard calibration curve is run with each sample batch using a serial dilution of 99.9% D2O. There is no significant sample size dependence but the best results are obtained from samples of 2 ul; S.D. is typically 0.0004 atom%, and coefficient of variation is typically 0.018%. For 4 ul samples S.D. is 0.0006 atom% and cv is 0.029%. As to the literature, Westerterp and Wagenmakers from Maastricht published a paper in 1996. There is another 1996 paper from a group in Cleveland where Beylot is one of the co-authors. Here are the references: (1) TI: DETERMINATION OF TOTAL-BODY WATER BY A SIMPLE AND RAPID MASS- SPECTROMETRIC METHOD AU: VANKREEL_BK, VANDERVEGT_F, MEERS_M, WAGENMAKERS_T, WESTERTERP_K, COWARD_A NA: UNIV LIMBURG HOSP,STABLE ISOTOPE RES CTR,DEPT CLIN CHEM,POB 5800,6202 AZ MAASTRICHT,NETHERLANDS MRC,DUNN NUTR CTR,CAMBRIDGE CB4 1XJ,ENGLAND UNIV LIMBURG,DEPT HUMAN BIOL,6200 MD MAASTRICHT,NETHERLANDS JN: JOURNAL OF MASS SPECTROMETRY, 1996, Vol.31, No.1, pp.108-111 IS: 1076-5174 AB: A rapid and inexpensive method was developed to determine deuterium enrichment in body fluids. This is achieved by converting water into acetylene. To vacutainer tubes a small amount of calcium carbide is added. The tubes are evacuated and 25 mu l of sample are injected through the stopper. The reaction takes place spontaneously at room temperature in a few seconds. Enrichment at mass 27 compared with mass 26 can be determined by continuous flow isotope ratio mass spectrometry without any interference from the carrier gas helium. A series of D2O samples diluted with increasing amounts of H2O is prepared at the time of measurement of the biological samples and the measured ratios are used to calculate the isotope dilution of the unknown. The relative error of the method is 1.6% when a dose of 25 ml kg(-1) is administered to the patient. The method was compared with two different methods in nse in other laboratories, by a published method. The means of the differences were -0.1 and 0.08 I, respectively, with standard deviations of 0.63 and 3.0. KP: DOUBLY LABELED WATER, HYDROGEN WA: D2O, TOTAL BODY WATER, MASS SPECTROMETER (2) TI: ASSAY OF THE DEUTERIUM ENRICHMENT OF WATER VIA ACETYLENE AU: BRUNENGRABER_H, PREVIS_SF, HAZEY_JW, DIRAISON_F, DAVID_F, BEYLOT_M NA: CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIV,CLEVELAND,OH,44106 INSERM,U197,F-69008 LYON,FRANCE JN: FASEB JOURNAL, 1996, Vol.10, No.3, p.1228 IS: 0892-6638 DT: Meeting Abstract (3) TI: ASSAY OF THE DEUTERIUM ENRICHMENT OF WATER VIA ACETYLENE AU: PREVIS_SF, HAZEY_JW, DIRAISON_F, BEYLOT_M, DAVID_F, BRUNENGRABER_H NA: CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIV,DEPT NUTR,CLEVELAND,OH,44106 CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIV,DEPT NUTR,CLEVELAND,OH,44106 CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIV HOSP,DEPT SURG,INTEGRATED SURG PROGRAM,CLEVELAND,OH,44106 INSERM U197,F- 69008 LYON,FRANCE JN: JOURNAL OF MASS SPECTROMETRY, 1996, Vol.31, No.6, pp.639-642 IS: 1076-5174 AB: A technique is presented for measuring the H-2 enrichment of water in biological samples when this enrichment is greater than 0.2%. The sample is reacted with calcium carbide to form acetylene gas, which is determined by gas chromatography electron impact ionization mass spectrometry. Ion-molecule reactions, resulting in proton abstraction, are minimized by lowering the electron ionization energy from the usual 70 eV to 45 eV, This technique is much more rapid and economical than the classical isotope ratio mass spectrometric assay of the enrichment of hydrogen gas derived from reduction of water. KP: ISOTOPE RATIO MEASUREMENTS, SAMPLES, LIVER WA: DEUTERIUM OXIDE, CALCIUM CARBIDE, ACETYLENE, LIPOGENESIS, GLUCONEOGENESIS, GAS CHROMATOGRAPHY MASS SPECTROMETRY Best regards, Wolfram ***************************************************** Dr. W. Meier-Augenstein, CChem MRSC Senior Research Fellow University of Dundee, Dept. of Anatomy & Physiology, OMS, DUNDEE DD1 4HN, United Kingdom Tel. 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