Hi all, first I wonder why Ilya Bindeman is interested only in work 'after 1993'? Yes, sometimes the most recent work is the best, but in the scramble for funding and attention, important points of view are sometimes overlooked, even if well known in the past. Like Mike Palin, I will point to a "under-cited paper" that, apart from its data, also might illuminate the relationship between theory and experiment. Try "New evidence on magnetite oxygen isotope geothermometers at 175 and 112 deg C in Wairakei steam pipelines (New Zealand)" by Blattner, Braithwaite and Glover, Isotope Geoscience 1 (1983) 195-204 (Ten years too old!?). Main point: the quartz-magnetite function may be far from a straight line. I do not think the pure theorists have tackled this one. Better to stick to a "proven" formula? Experiment decides: but which experiment? The "empirical" approach using natural occurrences is one of the most promising, even if it seems to lack the glamour of theory. See also (wrt quartz-calcite) Sharp and Kirshner GCA 58 4491-4501 (1994), and Blattner AJS 275 785-800 (1975) - that was before the age of chaos, of course. We can only perceive natural isotopes through the gate of analysis. If there is systematic analytic bias between, say, silicates and water, no theory can help. So mineral pairs are better in this way. That still leaves the problem of closure temperatures. Cheers! Peter Blattner c/GNS PO Box 30368 Lower Hutt/ New Zealand