Dear Darren, I am looking at carbon isotopes within plant material during the last glacial-interglacial transition (14-9 ka BP). Although this is nowhere near as old as your samples the isotopes from terrestrial plant organs appear to be giving consistent shifts within several sites across NW Europe during this period. This suggests 1) that diagenesis of the material at least on this time scale is not significant and 2) that some common forcing is causing these shifts. With regards to the latter my review of the literature suggests that the main climatic control is relative humidity (though some support a temperature control which is of course autocorrelated to relative humidity). Some of the papers that appear to support this are: Figge and White,1995, Global Biogeochemical Cycles, 9, 391-403 Saurer and Siegenthaler, 1989, Dendrochronologia, 7, 9-13 Stuiver and Braziunas, 1987, Nature, 328, 58-60 White et al., 1994, Nature, 367, 463-469 Winter et al, 1982, J. of Experimental Botany, 33, 88-91 I'm testing this hypothesis at the moment. I've collected Carex fruits from a variety of species in Britain and am receiving more from within Europe. These have been collected close to meteorological stations and the carbon isotope ratio determined will be compared to relative humidity and other met. variables. Also it would be worth contacting Dave Beerling at Sheffield as hes working on carbon isotopes in plant material on the geological timescale. His e-mail is [log in to unmask] Best wishes, Chris Turney, Centre for Quaternary Research, Tel.: 01784 443563 Geography Dept., Fax: 01784 472836 Royal Holloway, e-mail: [log in to unmask] University of London, Egham, Surrey, TW20 0EX, UK