If you look into the raw data for the IAEA C-14 intercomparison materials from 1990, you will find for IAEA-C3 cellulose a mean delta13C value of -24.91 +- 0.56 permille vs.PDB (n=51, here only three obvious outliers excluded with no further data treatment, 1sigma standard deviation). This corresponds to -24.91+-0.08 permille (standard error of the mean) which should be compared with -24.64 +- 0.13 permille (vs.???)(n=5) as reported by Frank Pawellek. Data were taken from the 1991 IAEA Report on the "Consultants' group meeting on C-14 reference materials for radiocarbon laboratories" (final results also published in Radiocarbon, 34, 506-519 by Rozanski et al). As Frank pointed out correctly, IAEA-C3 cellulose should to be used as C-14 intercomparison material and is distributed in units of 50g; reported delta13C values from 69 C-14 laboratories showed a relatively large scatter. Isotopic inhomogeneities for much smaller fractions than 50g are quite possible (about 1 cubic metre (!) of cellulose was prepared and homogenized for C-14 measurements) . I think, the existence of isotope inhomogeneities for small sub-samples was shown by the recent measurements. In order to prepare a cellulose reference material for delta13C measurements, a considerably amount (2-3 kg) of this cellulose could be milled down to fine powder, homogenized and checked for isotopic homogeneity. Laboratories which would be interested in such a cellulose reference material should send a short e-mail message to me. Best regards, Manfred Groening ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Manfred Groening Isotope Hydrology Section --- International Atomic Energy Agency P.O.Box 100 A-1400 Vienna AUSTRIA Phone: ++43-1-206021740 Fax: ++43-1-20607 e-mail: [log in to unmask] NEW e-mail (valid from 17.March1997 on): [log in to unmask] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >---------- >From: isogeochem >To: isogeochem >Subject: IAEA-C3 cellulose standard: results of an inter-lab comparison >Date: Friday, March 07, 1997 4:08PM > >To everybody dealing with cellulose! > >I had suggested a little ring test some months ago using a IAEA >standard cellulose. Here are the results. > >The background: >Since I am using a combustion technique at a rather low temperature >for my cellulose samples, I could not use graphite standards like most >other labs do - the graphite simply won't react. Therefore I started >to use IAEA cellulose for internal check of my precision. > >The IAEA informed me that their C3 standard was likely to be >inhomogeneous on a mg-scale for 13 C and was not published for >such standardization purposes, but to the best of my knowledge >that had never been properly checked. This was for the reason of >the proposed test. > >I had sent strips of C3 cellulose out to five laboratories that had >kindly agreed to take part in the test, four of which have provided >results so far. A summary of the results and methods used is >given below: > >METHODS > >lab. 1: +CuO offline, 850 C, 2hrs >lab. 2: +CuO offline, 900 C >lab. 3: +CuO offline, 750 C, 4 hrs >lab. 4: +CuO offline, 600 C, 6 hrs >lab. 5: element. anal. > >(guess which one's my lab....) > >The results are corrected for differences in other (approved) >standards where those data were supplied by the participants. > >SUMMARY OF RESULTS > >lab no. no. spls. mean (ppm) 95 % conf. interval (+-) > >1 5 -24.53 0.06 >2 3 -25.15 0.05 >3 2 -24.11 0.38 >4 7 -24.45 0.05 >5 7 -24.83 0.15 > >All values taken together produce a mean of -24.64 ppm +- 0.13 ppm.. > >This is much better than numbers published by Rozanski et al. (1992, >Radiocarbon 34(3), 506-519). For C3 a value of -24.91 +- 0.49 (!) was >given there. The precision of intercomparison tests for other >standards (C1 to C6) was also in that range. > >As one of the participants pointed out, he was "astonished at the >wide error bands of carbon" in that publication. He remarked that >"there is clearly a need to check the carbon scale as it is already done >for hydrogen and oxygen." I can only agree. > >The results of this little test have been assuring, not only for the >overall homogeneity of C3 in terms of stable carbon isotopes, but >also for my use of the low combustion temperature. It is, by the way, >interesting how many slightly different temperatures are used for >cellulose combustion. It seems not to make any difference, anyway... > >Frank > >--------------------------- >Frank Pawellek >Stable Isotope Laboratory >Department of Geography >University of Wales, Swansea >Singleton Park >Swansea SA2 8PP >Wales / GB > >Tel. +44 1792 295148 >Fax. +44 1792 205556 >email [log in to unmask] >------------------------(;->