Kevin: check my paper published in JSR in 1993, v. 63, p. 282-294. You will find there very negative values for vein calcite in septarian concretions. Cheers Ihsan Dr. Ihsan Al-Aasm Associate Professor Department of Earth Sciences University of Windsor, Windsor, Ontario Canada N9B 3P4 1-519-253-4232 Ext. 2494, FAX: 1-519-973-7081 E-mail address [log in to unmask]