In a message dated 08/29/2000 3:21:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << Here is a bit of information that just might help you see the light. Vascular Technology, like Echocardiography, is included in both diagnostic medical sonography and cardiovascular technology. While diagnostic medical sonography is a subcategory under radiology, and vascular technology is a sub category of that subcategory under radiology. This is not the situation in cardiovascular technology. Vascular technology is recognized as 1/4 of the entire category, as it would be if they invented the category the SVT proposes. Here's another tasty tidbit, the sonographer scope of practice was recently modified to include IV insertion and administration of medications. That which the cardiovascular technologist scope of practice has always included. This modification came about after many heated discussions over the tech Vs sonographer issue and the governing bodies finally realized the legal loop hole they created, and the increasing use of contrast media and pharmacologic studies. Finally, I would like to say that I am tired of the old comparison of cardiovascular technologists to radiologic technologists. All of these misconceived ideas to the definition of technologist is due to so many having come from the radiologic background. In my arena when an RT. walks into the lab, all they really know and can demonstrate is their knowledge of x-ray generation. And don't even think they can run 35 mm film or deal with digital archiving, know about fluid dynamics, hemodynamics, critical patient care, CV A&P, pharmacology, or how to run a code. There is a serious night and day differences in the level of knowledge and practice. Hence the Inter-Session on Cardiology's (now the ACC) 1955 recommendations to the AMA to create the field of cardiovascular technology, because the RNs and the RTs were not able to meet the needs of the cardiologists. So when you say sonographer, please realize that the sonography scope of practice has just recently become equal to that of the noninvasive cardiovascu lar technologist. Tony >> Tony, I don't see any mention of Cardiovascular Technologists anywhere in Audrey's discussion. The only mention is the word technician, which is a term we use to define a NON registered person who performs ultrasound. We use this classification to make a differentiation in the minimum entry level skills not yet proven to those that have proven their skills by passing the ARDMS registry. Here is a copy of the SDMS site definition: Ultrasound Technician Member [TEC] If you are a healthcare provider and have not obtained one of the ARDMS credentials and are primarily involved in the practice of sonography, sonography education, clinical management, or commercial activities, you are eligible for this membership category. You are entitled to all the benefits of membership except the right to vote and hold office. And, if in the future, you decide to become a registered sonographer, the SDMS provides the professional support to assist you in your career goals. This technically would include RVS and RCS from your credentialing organization since it specifies ARDMS credentials. As far as being able to administer medications, I think you are mislead about that fact. The scope of practice only includes the administration of Ultrasound Contrast Media. Most sonographers and ultrasound technicians have not been through any formal pharmacology courses. It is just a simple fact that we need contrast in our daily work now. This is a snip of the Scope of practice that includes information of the IV insertion and contrast media: 1.3.5 Uses appropriate technique for intravenous line insertion and contrast media administration when the use of contrast is required. There are no mentions of any other medications being included in this scope of practice. The whole point Audrey was trying to convey is that RIGHT now we (Sonography) are currently listed as a subsection of Radiography according to the Department of Labor. The scope of practice between these two fields does not even closely reflect one another and we would prefer our own classification. Kelly Estes RDMS, RDCS, RVT The Sanger Clinic