I see this all over. Kids (20,30, some 40) are willing to work all kinds of hours. There is more to the 'age bias' than salary -- though. Over the last five years a whole new paradigm has emerged around "object oriented programming." Those just getting into systems programming do put systems together faster, not just because they are energetic and put in long hours, it is also that they reach for tools that many over 50 find hard to grasp. Basic became Visual Basic, but even in the last few years, its been revamped to more object and method orientations. A C programmer can't get his mind around C++ . An example of an "old timer" who has kept pace is Stephen R. Schach, Professor at Vanderbilt. His _Software Engineering with JAVA_ is much more a story about the paradigm shift than anything to do with actually programming in JAVA. News item from Benton: QUESTIONING THE LABOR SHORTAGE Issue: Workforce While the high-tech industry has convinced President Clinton and Congress to raise the quota on H-1Bs, the temporary visas for skilled foreigners, author Richard Rothstein contends that the worker shortage the move is intended to address is nothing more than a mirage. The annual H-1B limit will go to 200,000 next year, up from 65,000 only three years ago. High-tech companies claim that more visas are needed to advert a potential labor crises. However, according to Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California, these companies have created artificial shortages by refusing to hire experienced programmers. By age 50, fewer than half are still in the industry. Matloff says that technology industry often rejects older workers because they require more pay and they will not work the long hours typical of younger workers. Rothstien suggests that raising wages to attract those with needed skills is a better way to avoid shortages than importing low-paid workers. [SOURCE: New York Times, AUTHOR: Richard Rothstein] (http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/06/technology/06LESS.html) (requires registration) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.