I would definitely be willing to go in with you.  Let me know the time,
and I'll be there.


On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Caitlin C. Coughlin wrote:

> Hi folks:
> I asked Charlie a few days ago what was going on, and this was his reply
> to me.  I'll post this sometime this weekend but here is an advance copy
> for those of you I know have interest. (Or SHOULD have. =)  )
> His reply has my question attached which has the Vice Provost's reply to
> ME attached (that Will Briggs Also received verbatim) so what follws is a
> letter from Charlie to me, the preceeding note from me to Charlie,  and
> the preceeding Vice Provosts letter to me in newest-first order.
> I think I will have to make an appointment with the Dean eventually.  Is
> anyone willing to go with me?
> -Caitlin
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:20:36 -0500 (EST)
> From: Charles Colbourn <[log in to unmask]>
> To: Caitlin C. Coughlin <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What do you think?
> Caitlin,
> I was saddened to receive your note, especially that the Dean has
> not replied to your message.  I share your frustration.  I wish I
> could make a recommendation about a course of action, but as the Chair
> of Computer Science I find myself in a awkward position.
> Jane mentions a number of things that I wish were true.  Dr. Robert
> Snapp asked the Dean to meet with the department in mid-September, and
> I have renewed that request many times since.  But Dean Jenkins has not
> responded to our request.
> Jane mentions that Dean Jenkins has been in contact with the department
> about needs.  Unfortunately this is not the case.  The document to which
> she refers was prepared without the knowledge of anyone in the CS department,
> and requested funds which were in two of four cases inadequate to deliver the
> courses that Dean Jenkins promised.  Indeed in one case he requested funds
> for a new CS 21 and received $3700 for each semester to offer one; since it
> is a four-credit course, the Continuing Education rate is about $4900 and he
> was unable to make up the difference and would not go back to Jane to
> request the $1200 difference, so the extra sections have not been offered.
> Moreover, Dean Jenkins never met with me to discuss the departent's budget
> request made in April of this year.  He has never met with the department
> or any member of the department to discuss needs for courses.
> Robert Snapp requested a meeting with the Provost, Geoff Gamble, also in
> mid-September.  Because of his planned departure, the meeting did not
> occur until 1 November.  At that meeting, we were told clearly that there
> are no new resources and that Dean Jenkins is doing an excellent job.
> I have asked Dean Jenkins to comment on the Provost's suggestion that we send
> our students to other majors, and have received no response.  I have asked
> Dean Jenkins what is happening about the fact that we are losing our CS 21-26
> lab on 18 December, and have nowhere to run help sessions for spring, which
> he promised to settle by the end of October, and have received no response.
> I will not comment on my opinion of these matters, because the Provost has
> assured me that the Dean is doing an excellent job.
> But, as a person who pays tuition dollars to the University of Vermont, it
> is my belief that I am required to tell you that the information provided
> to you about a constant involvement of the Dean in the issues of CS courses
> could not be further from the truth.
> My recommendation to you is the following.  Ask Dean Jenkins for a meeting
> in person, show him the email from Jane Lawrence, and ask him to comment.
> You have a right to a response, even though I have found out that I do not.
> As an officer of the university, I am compelled to stand up for UVM and
> so must add that there may be an explanation for these inconsistencies of
> which I am unaware.  Perhaps what upsets me the most is that Jane Lawrence
> has gone to real efforts to respond to the needs in Computer Science, but
> unfortunately her contact has been someone who will not meet with the
> department to discuss these issues, despite repeated requests.
> I hope that you have a great Thanksgiving.  I am in Mexico and am looking
> for turkey fajitas, but no luck so far!
> Cheers -- Charlie.
> p.s. Don't spend more energy on this than you must.  You have a CS 201
>      assignment to work on....
> >
> >
> > Charlie, what do you think of this letter?  It sounds like Dr Jenkins
> > implied I never told _him_ about this situation... though he never
> > responded to my email.
> >
> > Is anything I'm doing working?
> >
> > *sigh*  =)
> > -Caitlin
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:24:06 -0500
> > From: Jane Lawrence <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Cc: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: computer science
> >
> > Dear Ms. Coughlin:
> > President Ramaley forwarded your email to me and asked me to check into the
> > situation in computer science.
> > Fortunately, the Provost, the other Vice Provosts and I had a meeting
> > scheduled  this morning with the Dean of the College of Engineering. I
> > shared with him your email.  I know he has been working closely with the
> > chair and faculty in the Computer Science department to ensure that there
> > are adequate courses and sections to meet student demand.  In fact, just
> > last summer Dean Jenkins arranged for additional funding from the provost's
> > office for computer science courses.  Dean Jenkins has been very involved
> > with the department and their requests for funding.  I would hope that you
> > would talk with the dean directly about your concerns.  It was clear to the
> > provost and the other vice provosts that the dean is well aware of the
> > situation in computer science and is anxious to support the faculty to find
> > solutions to any problems as they arise.
> > Once again, thank you for writing.
> > Jane Lawrence
> > Jane Fiori Lawrence
> > Vice Provost for Undergraduate Education
> > The University of Vermont
> > 350 Waterman Building
> > Burlington, VT  05405-0530
> > phone:  802-656-4400
> > fax:  802-656-1363
> >