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So, Michael...what do you really think?  Please don't sugar-coat it this
time...:-D
JP


>From: Michael Bernstein <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Haystack
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:20:41 -0500
>
>Skip, you may want to skip to the next post, this won't be so pretty.
>
>i went to the Stack on saturday in the expectation that Mt. snow would be
>mobbed - I am not a fan of cascading down an icy slope with 10,000 of my
>closest friends.  I also hoped tha the snow surfaces would be fresh due to
>the fact that Haystack is not open very often (weekends and holidays only
>now) and they apparently get little traffic when they are open.  While it
>was uncrowded as hoped, the skiing itself left MUCH to be desired.  The
>mountain is set up a little kooky.  They advertise 1400 verts, but that's
>just nonsense, as the bottom 200-300 feet are taken up by the upper base
>area and beginner slope.  the real mountainis only about 1100 verts.  As
>far as I can tell, the base area is served by a triple chair to the summit
>and another triple which makes it 2/3 of the way up.  There is also another
>triple in the "Witches" expert area, which I think was the last bit of the
>mountain to be developed in the mid-80's before being acquired by Mt. Snow.
>We were looking for some challenge so we headed to the Witches chair.  I
>have to say, I have never seen such a comical farse as the expert rating
>for any of Haystack's trails.  There were one or two semi-steep pitches in
>the Witches area, but that's it.  when I say semi-steep, I'm talking about
>as steep as the tamer stuff on the North Face on Mt. Snow, itself already
>in the overated trail designation hall of fame.  That chiar served about 6
>verts of uninspiring terrain.  Worse, the hoped for snow quality just
>wasn't there.  ASVC has blown really bad snow at the stack, and conditions
>were pretty much boilerplate to start the day.  The steeper section on the
>Witches liftline at the bottom was especially tricky with radically
>different snow surfaces  - boilerplate, sugar, death cookies - all within a
>ski length.  The rest of the mountain was even flatter.  They had blown
>just enough snow to open a few runs down the main mountain, but there was
>really nothing of interest.  This was the smallest sking 1100 foot mountain
>I have ever seen.  The trail layout is strange and it is dificult to get to
>the skier's right side of the main mountain.  There is no challenge.  They
>blow miminal amounts of snow, and what they do make is really poor quality,
>IMHO.
>
>On the other hand, the $36 ticket, spacious lodge and friendly staff were a
>plus.  Now that thereis some snow, they may have some more options, but
>they were all roped off the day I was there (not that those ropes stopped
>us mind you).
>
>In sum, I'm a seller on Haystack.  I don't really see that it has anything
>o grand interest.  If ASC's intent was ot make it into a family skiing
>area, then maybe that will work 0 it's small, flat, and comfortable.  But
>it has absolutely nothing for serious skiers.  I'd rather save the extra
>hour and head to Jiminy instead.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>
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>Jay Pesci <[log in to unmask]>@LIST.UVM.EDU> on 01/03/2001 04:30:13 PM
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>Please respond to Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports
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>If I want the usual party-line propaganda, I'll call.  If I want the truth,
>I'll ask the List.
>JP
>
> >From: "Salts, Peter" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports
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> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Haystack
> >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:07:00 -0500
> >
> >Jay - why don't you just call and find out!
> >
> >PS
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jay Pesci [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 4:04 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: [SKIVT-L] Haystack
> >
> >
> >Does the List know if one can ski Haystack without purchasing a ticket
>for
> >Mt. Snow?  The website for Mt. Snow seems somewhat convoluted.  If so,
>has
> >anyone on the list skied it lately?  I recall many traditional runs, some
> >narrow, steep, etc.  Any information is appreciated.  Thanks.
> >Jay-to be skiing somewhere in VT on MLK weekend-Pesci
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