I'm back from vacation and quite interested in the whole lifter discussion. I went out to BC (report coming, eventually) with two pair of skis: My Elan SCX shaped replacements (can't remember the model) and my Rossi Sommet's. The Elans had Superloops on them with the standard lifter. The Sommet's had Chili's on 'em with no lifters. I had logged three days on the Rossi's before taking them out with me. Mostly I took them because they have edges. My Elans are in hurtin' shape. The Elans worked well for very soft snow. However, I didn't trust them on the hardpack, especially when it got steep. I brought the Rossi's up one day and skied some of the more gnarly chutes with them. The very first thing I noticed was the lack of risers. Every turn I was worried about booting out; and it happened frequently on the steeps. I would set an edge, start the ski around, and end up on my uphill hip because the ski was balancing on the binding and not on the edge. Drove me nuts. I also noticed it on the more intermediate-pitched slopes. I think this is because I was used to throwing my elans way over on edge to carve fun turns. I couldn't do that at all on the Rossi's (besides the fact that they have no where near the sidecut.) I love risers. Haven't skied with anything huge, but I've now skied a few skis with 'em, and a few pair without 'em. I'll definitely keep getting them put on my skis. As for where I ski - well, you've taken a few runs with me. :) Regards -Ben (recovering from 6 days at Whistler/Blackcomb and 3 powder days at MRG in the last 10. Life is good!) Jeremy Malczyk wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Dana Dorsett wrote: > > > > > Why do people dislike lifters? > > > > Yup! But Dan was actively soliciting opinions, so my conscience is clear. > > Jerm will have to speak for himself. > > > > I just hate them cause they make the ski feel clunky and .. well bigger. > There is definitely a loss of "feel" with big lift, not to mention a > weight difference (minimal with plasic lifts). I havent skied on huge > lifts, maybe a bit over an inch off a stock Dynastar Speed SF. It was fine > on hardpack, going fast, but noticably more squirrely in choppy snow > or powder. Sure it reduces boot out, but in the snow we ski that really > isnt an issue. And quite to the contrary of what Denis says, I've heard > very little down talk on lifters. A lot of people think they're the best > thing since sliced cheese, but then again a lot of people arent skiing in > the woods. > > Jerm > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. > > To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html -- ----------------------------------------------- Benjamin D. Bloom 802.355.4025 (c) 10 Chase Lane #2 802.865-0975 (h) Burlington, VT 05401 [log in to unmask] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html