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Wednesday, January 01, 2003
What about Spinoza?
The Prophets: Who They Were, What They Are
by Norman Podheretz
I was just looking at N. Podheretz' The Prophets. An exceptionally trashy
book, one can only wonder why he wrote it. Actually, not bad, as a fake scholarly
book. If I hadn't known about the author, it might have fooled me. Now all
the other books are suspect, because I don't know their authors.
Yes, we know the author, a first-class Nietzschean hoodlum trying to play
the Op Ed version of prophetic justice. Wonder why? Surely the author knows
that a generation of police torture on the West Bank doesn't merit the sanctification
of this account of the Prophets genuine plea for justice.
Surely the author does know. And my own anger springs from the fact that
the last ounce of reverence for the Old Testament got fried this time, for
the last time. I won't be fooled again. Counterproductive, eh?
I am sorry to be so harsh, but these neocons have created something dangerous.
At least leave the Old Testament out of it. This route will make Bible Studies
skirt radical evil. Warning! At least most theological texts in this field
are merely Sunday school wishfulfilment, half-conscious. But this book, which
is designed to pass as a promo for dirty politics, is thereby so brazen it
discredits the whole subject.
But why wax indignant? Nothing new there. The Old and New Testaments were
seen to be fraudulent by a secular age, starting with Spinoza. So we need
not apologize for our secular condition. There is no going back.
One might mention that Podheretz left out one of the most significant prophets
for modern Jews and Christians. A prophet in the true sense, one who saw
into the future, not with spiritual magic, but with clarity. Spinoza.
Spinoza patiently pointed out the problems in the seventeenth century,
and, as one of the first Zionists, made clear from the beginning the basic
elements for the Jewish (and Christian) predicament. He was quite prophetic
in his own way, and saw, as a Marrano, what was coming, and tried to lay
the foundations for something appropriate for the modern world. He is not
the last word, but his debriefing of the issues of theism as materialism/immanence
was a brilliant option that might have help, and he saw the need for an exit
strategy for Jews and Christians both.
It is a point that the founders of Israel understood, at least I hope so.
They took their narrow chances, and it would seem the gamble has been lost.
Has the whole thing been frittered away in this current horror story of fruitcake
Jewish Old Testament lunatics?
I mention Spinoza because Jews tend to misread their own history. The place
of modern Jews in modern history is a big 'might have been', a point brought
home by the recent book by Amos Elon. The distraction of the Old Testament
is almost unbelievable here.
Podheretz cites Bright's History of Israel, and takes potshots at Wellhausen.
That's about it. Amazing. But then this genre is one of the most mendacious
in literature, from its commentators. Christians and Moslems are not better.
The question of the real history of Israel has become a runaway monster
here. For what it is worth, research in this area has pretty well demolished
this genre of religious Israel, in the typical versions with their arcane
distortions of fact.
Time to start from scratch. Was there a Moses? Take it from there, and
stop lying. To pretend any longer is sheer dishonesty. Check out something
like The Bible Unearthed, by Finkelsten and Silberman. It's over when
It is not true, false, that Jehovah manifested in history, or that Jews
have some special claim on modern Israel. Jews have not been appointed a
special destiny to save the planet by taking over the West Bank. Come on.
Nonetheless secular accounts often fumble also, and that is also a part
of the problem of this endlessly persisting confusions arising in the secular
field. The correct way to take monotheistic history is hard to come by.
[ I recommend my 'eonic model' of the remarkable Judaic sequence in its
context, http://eonix.8m.com. Correct
perception of the phenomenon of Ancient Israel is extremely tricky, and after
some 'eonic' perspective, really needs to be set aside as useless at this
point. The Old Testament is a confusing record of this effect, more fascinating
in its secular version, by the way, than in its archaic and obsolete Bible
version which is simply useless as is.
It was part of the whole so-called 'Axial Age' enigma, which, however, was
confused by Jaspers, and was both special and unspecially the same as the
entire spectrum of that nexus. It has nothing whatsover to do with God or
This circumstance has no repetition or continuation in the original form.
Herzl sensed the point. And I think the founders of secular Israel would
be appalled to think that anyone would now think so, and have entire lobbies
manipulating conservative Christians and corrupt politicians in Congress
to repromote this.
Remember the shock of Germans waking up to see how they slide into the abyss.
The eonic model is a time and motion study, and relatively neutral and
would make a good standard here for all parties (and you are free to critique
that also, but it can help to see why the subject is so confused), because
it is neither mythology nor secular trashing of the data. Jewish history
does indeed have a special status, but that requires extreme care in its
interpretation. Jews and Christians have no connection with those events
now, which are so antiquated as to be a dangerous quagmire whose status is
no better than Hollywood fiction.]
Time to face reality, the Judaic tradition based on the Old Testament is
dying, along with the Christian and Islamic. I don't like that, but I can't
change it. At the dawn of the Enlightenment Spinoza appeared to issue a warning.
Bashing the Enlightement as antisemitic entirely misses the point.
We need to pull each other out of the wreckage and move on, and that requires
Americans to wake up to the media control that has suppressed proper discussion
and dissent of the nearly fascist concealed manipulation of the American
government on these issues.
Actually, minus the neo-conservative boilerplate inserted in ludicrous fashion
at strategic points in the book, it is no worse than most in this genre,
but when someone like Podheretz dips into this field, it becomes tastelessly
obvious, if not dangerous to critics, that the Old Testament is, was, and
remains mostly propaganda. This time it is going to backfire sooner or later,
and the later is getting to be soon.
So let me guess, this is a rightwing shot-in-the-arm for the Jewish Lobby
and the Bible Belt, and much needed religious justification, mystique pandering,
for the Israel's permanently ambiguous 'right to exist'. The latter is a
lost cause, although I, for one, would not challenge a de facto existence
on the spot, apocalyptic leftist answers are not my point.
But I would put the American right to exist a la the destruction of the
American Indian, and the Islamic right to its Koranic imperialism over a
multitude of subject peopls, etc... in the same category of strong man tactics
dressed up in variants of mythology. Again, I acknowledge the de facto presence
of Israel, lest I be misunderstood, but remain puzzled at the self-destructive
nature of this immense effort to destroy the very idea.
So we have three sets of thugs here, and it might help to dispense with
Zionism has/had a very narrow launch window based on a secular vision of
some homeland for the Jews. It was not a religious proposition based on the
Old Testament Jehovah concoctions. The destruction of that vision of the
Zionists, whatever we think of that and it could have been a viable project,
has been almost systematic since 1968, and it is based on this regurgitation
syndrome of Judae-Christian history.
As we watch the slow destruction of the Two State option in some horror,
and this is my real concern since my sympathy and support is found to have
been exploited by con men, it is essential to try and talk madmen out of
this endless conspiracy to pretend they want justice.
Why take this route, the whole possibility is being frittered away, to the
great historical dishonor of the Judaic tradition.
What the answer is I don't know. I have no options to even express dissent
or indulge in political action. I have been cheated out of intelligent options,
and have to face the dangers of dissent as against the corruption of being
I can only state for the record my dissent at the point where trust and
support was betrayed by Machiavellian evils dressed up in Old Testament sanctities
in the think tanks of the likes of Podheretz.
I may be a powerless nobody, but don't push your luck.
And I watch in some frustration the muzzled dissent of those who dislike
this gross novelty, the leveraging of antisemitism for a geopolitical swindle,
while a Podheretz throws the Justice of the Prophets into the propaganda
pot. Leveraging antisemitism! what a thought.
Wake up and face reality.
One is supposed to be silent, or else... Am I an antisemite? Skip it, I
wouldn't be interested. I had three Jewish teachers, one in Kabbalah. That's
all gone now. A lot of other things are passing away too.
In one generation we have seen the poisoning of the great Jewish tradition,
the discredit of the American government, and the charge of antisemitism
against anyone who tries to stand up to this and propose some rational exit
strategy. Jews are supposed to be smart people, but this last generation
has been a form of stupidity that is mind-numbing. Jews have better things
to do than this. And this new regime is indeed producing a stupid new type.
Ditto for Christians, if you like.
One lesson of the Holocaust was what happens when people remain silent.
Here we go again.
Now everyone is silenced on this issue in the US, as frozen politicians
cynically allow this curious coup d'etat to corrupt democratic government
amidst gosh knows what other svengali types.
The left has also been cockeyed, and rendered itself useless.Has everyone
lost their minds?
So one needs to restate the issues for the sake of those still caught up
in the Madison Avenue tactics applied to gangster politics in a veneer of
sanctity designed to manipulate a sunday school crowd.
We need the courage, Jewish lobby plust shadowy enforcers in the shadows,
to stand up to this mess, in a context where charges of antisemitism are
now part of the cynical game. And it is alarming to watch the rise of still
another new form of antisemitism, sometimes so-called, sometimes not.
One will of course get put in a CIA/Mossad database for saying anything.
Tough luck. Don't be a lickspittle.
And antisemitism is beside the point, keeping in mind the cynical leveraging
of this by fanatics. If you really are an antisemite, I hope you will shut
Americans are going to wake up one day and see the results of their timidity
in the wreckage of their political tradition.The world will not forgive it.
This nuttiness has gone on a long time, its getting to demand a worldhistorical
verdict, set against the name of Judaic tradition. What was that tradition?
Time for some no-nonsense courage to face the facts and move on bypassing
the anti-semitic dragons, and the truly nefarious Machiavellianism of the
Podheretz types who will stoop to anything, including the cynical abuse of
Y. Yovel has two interesting books on Spinoza, and his Marrano background.
Spinoza saw the dilemma of both the religious tradition, and the ambiguity
of materialist successors. He has been buried by history as an active influence,
yet he has influenced modern philosophy profoundly.
Future history will wonder at the irony of the term 'prophet', behind the
distortions that have fallen into the hands of the manipulators.
The Prophets: Who They Were, What They Are
by Norman Podheretz
>From Publishers Weekly
In what initially appears to be a radical departure from his previous eight
books, some of which were autobiographical accounts of Podhoretz's move from
left to right, this effort deals with the Hebrew prophets, a new subject
for the former editor of Commentary magazine. To his credit, he does indeed
present a scholarly analysis of the prophets, but it is interwoven with too
many references to himself. Moreover, the lessons that Podhoretz derives
from his study of the prophets, as detailed in the last chapter, "The Prophets
and Us," are a rehash of the neo-conservative views expressed in his other
books. He condemns relativism, the counterculture, political correctness,
the women's movement, deconstructionism, multiculturalism and environmentalism.
He likens his own views to those of the biblical prophets as they fought
for monotheism and opposed paganism. Podhoretz gives consideration to all
21 prophetic books in the Bible, as well as to Abraham and Moses. However,
he focuses mostly on Amos, Hosea, Micah, Isaiah ("First" and "Second"), Jeremiah
and Ezekiel. He examines their writings, drawing extensively on the work
of biblical scholars. Although he describes himself as an "amateur" and a
"non-specialist," he doesn't hesitate to give his opinions on disputes among
the various schools of biblical interpreters. Podhoretz deserves to be applauded
for venturing beyond himself (at least in part) as the subject of his books,
but readers interested in the prophets may wish to consult scholarly sources
directly rather than rely on Podhoretz's rendering of their ideas.
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