Reply re economic histories and eonic model //consilencep@

I have no problem with economics! My point was only that the eonic model 
creates a subprocess out of the world economic system, econosequence. It is 
more general. more high level. 
I admire Marx very much. He was a brilliant man. But he didn't get it right. 
He had the pieces, but couldn't assemble them right. What is amazing is how 
close he came.  His theory of revolution is overlaid on his theory of 
'economic determination' or 'historical materialism. Or, you could say his 
Viconian sequence of stages is a discrete-continuous model, but that the 
stages are not economic stages. So we need to get stages of anything, 
revolutions, eras of history,  evolutions of freedom, and economic sequences 
unscrambled. We can do that empirically with the eonic model. 

Economies are fields of free activity. They spread out and encompass large 
areas, and are more or less random fields in that regard. 
The 'eonic sequence' is something different, localized, macro, focal, and 
highly 'smart', elusively so. It is like a minimum principle applied to 
global evolution on a planet. 
Answering the question, what is the smallest interaction in a series that can 
operate on the surface of that planet? Answer something like the eonic 

It is unexpected to discover this. We need the right data, and the proper 
distance. It wasn't til the discovery of early Sumer-Egypt that this started 
to became clear. 
Jaspers was close also, then fumbled the ball again. He couldn't let go of 
his Christian preconceptions. 
That's why I put Kant at the start. To keep metaphysics out, high and low. 
rational metaphysics. and false empiricist realism. 
Just take it as it is. 

 Take the eonic model in a different sense. Ask the question, does world 
history show evidence of general sequence? What does the question mean? The 
random flow of events shows sequence, by default. What we really seem to mean 
is, is there a subsequence that is a master sequence of some kind? 
The only candidate is an intermittent one, a discrete series embedded in a 
continuous universal history of everywhere. Presto, we discover one at once. 
We see the track of a master sequence sifting out from a continuous default 
sequence which isn't going anywhere over the long range. The nice thing about 
this is that it mimics the third antinomy of Kant. Suddenly we have the clue. 
See my Kant page. 

The eonic effect. We don't know how it works, but it is too closely organized 
to be due to chance. It is like hopscotch.  That's too much for current 
thought. They refuse to see it. But economic interpretations don't work on 
Look at soccer versus american style football. The first is continuous random 
free action on a field. The second creates a discrete-continous overlay 
model. A discrete series of plays on that original continuous field--the 
analogy is not perfect, but shows the meaning of the term 

World Systems theory tends to confuse the rise of the modern with its 
economic porcesses, as did Marx. AGF tries to generalize that to world 
history, rightly seeing the first transition I deal with, five thousand 
But these long cycles of economic activity are measures of economies, that's 
But, characteristically, these economic interpretations miss the middle beat, 
they are scared off by the 'Axial' age stuff. It couldn't be economic. 

The confusing thing is the way there is an overlay in the rise of the modern. 
As it happens capitalism takes off in the third transition, the rise of the 
modern. It is spectacular that the Industrial Revolution occurs at my 'divide 
point', ca. 1800. But so does philosophy flower here.  Along with a host of 
other things that aren't economic.  These correlations are unmistakable. We 
have Kant, Hume, Bentham, to the decade. 
This correlated pattern is devastating, and quite rigorous, within limits. 
But so far noone will even look at it. They fly into a rage. 
How explain how, over five thousand years, processes of art, philosophy, 
etc,  show such exact timing? 
You see I am in trouble. To say all this goes against the grain of the 
current style of thinking. 
In any case, World Systems thinking promptly snafus on the 'causal question' 
applied to the rise of the modern. That's where I come in. I don't solve 
that, but dissolve it, by showing its macro relevance. It seems to genuinely 
frighten people, from Darwinists onwards. 
What can I do? 

John Landon
Website for
World History and the Eonic Effect