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Hello,

I am sorry for my irresponsible last e-mail.
What I referred as "microbial method" in last e-mail is "denitrifier method, and 
the references are

Cascioti, K.L., Sigman, D.M., Galanter Hasting, M., Böhlke, J.K. and Hilkert, A. 2002. Measurement of the oxygen isotopic composition of nitrate in seawater and freshwater using the denitrifier method. Anal. Chem. 74, 4905-4912. 

Sigman, D.M., Casciotti, K.L., Andreani, M., Barford, M., Galanter, M. and Böhlke, J.K. 2001. A bacterial method for the nitrogen isotopic analysis of nitrate in seawater and freshwater. Anal. Chem. 73, 4145-4153. 


Thanks,



Teppei 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rodrigo Maia 
  To: [log in to unmask] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [ISOGEOCHEM] pyrolysis of silver nitrate for 15N and 18O ratios measurements


        Teppei

        How about giving a reference for the benefit of all on that "microbial method"???

        Rodrigo

        Rodrigo Maia
        Lab Tech
        Stable Isotopes Lab - ICAT Lisbon
        Portugal
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        -------Original Message-------

        From: Stable Isotope Geochemistry
        Date: terça-feira, 20 de Maio de 2003 19:24:33
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Subject: Re: [ISOGEOCHEM] pyrolysis of silver nitrate for 15N and 18O ratios measurements

        Hello,

        How about measuring the gas product by gas chromatograph?
        How do you eliminate organic matters in the samples?
        Have you checked the Cecily Chang's method? Have you washed
        Ag2O before using it? 
        How about eliminating anions using BaCl2 before the anion
        exchange NO3 absorption?

        How about the new microbial method?


        Regards,


        Teppei
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Eddy Minet 
        To: [log in to unmask] 
        Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:24 PM
        Subject: [ISOGEOCHEM] pyrolysis of silver nitrate for 15N and 18O ratios measurements


        Hi,

        Here are some of my recent problems, and I hope you may bring me some answers.

        I work on the measurement of 15N and 18O ratios in silver nitrate. Nitrates originate from groundwater and have been extracted using the technique issued in Silva S.R.., Journal of hydrology, 228 (2000), 22-36 (i.e. using anion exchange resin with final neutralization by silver oxide). The isotopic ratios are measured by pyrolysis, with the furnace temperature around 1100 degrees for 15N analysis (Roboprep CN) and 1450 degrees for 18O (ThermoFinnigan TC/EA).

        The reproducibility on both 15N and 18O has been a bit disappointing so far.

        In relation to 18O analyses, the CO peak looks always okay whilst the N2 peak (that appears for m/z 28 just before the CO peak) can have a very strange shape, or just trails and even sometimes overlaps the CO peak. Whenever this first peak (N2) looks funny, and even if it doesn't seem to overlap the CO peak, the resulting 18O ratios hits the roof and can rise up to +75 per mil when other replicates would show up around +6 per mil.

        As for 15N analyses, the reproducibility is much better (standard deviation usually within 0.5 per mil), but results are far from what is usually achieved when analyzing some organic samples. Addition of some sucrose seems to improve a bit, but still.

        At the end, we are wondering whether the problem is just a matter of sample homogeneity (my silver nitrate samples look a bit like fibers or wool). I'll try very soon to grind finely some samples after freezing them with liquid nitrogen to see if there is any improvement. Nevertheless I would appreciate to know if anyone of you has already experienced these problems and managed to work them out.

        All the best,



        Eddy Minet, Ph.D. student

        Centre for the Environment

        Trinity College

        Dublin 2 (Ireland)

        Tel: +353 (0)86 827 4921

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