Friends,
I tried to send what follows as an
attachment to my note
yesterday, but the posting didn't include the attachment. So I'm
reposting it. The note read:
Alexander Guerrero choses to ignore an honest invitation, and instead
to "inform" us about the situation here in Oaxaca. --George
And the intended attachment read:
The last
of these 11 items is reproduced just below the list.
· Science Hits Venezuelan Streets
- Science
Hits Venezuelan Streets (128 lines)
From: Charlie Welch <cwelch@TECSCHAN
GE.ORG>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:10:25 -0500
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (139 lines)
From: Alexander Guerrero <[log in to unmask]
VE>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 05:23:37 -0400
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (168 lines)
From: Robert David Ogden <unclebobobo@YAHOO
.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:45:41 -0700
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (159 lines)
From: Maurice Bazin <mauriceb@FLORIPA
.COM.BR>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:26:45 +0200
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (173 lines)
From: Alexander Guerrero <[log in to unmask]
VE>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:23:18 -0400
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (184 lines)
From: Phil Gasper <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:42:09 -0700
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (206 lines)
From: Alexander Guerrero <[log in to unmask]
VE>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:00:21 -0400
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (18 lines)
From: Louis Proyect <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:24:02 -0400
- Re:
Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (73 lines)
From: Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:56:57 -0700
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Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (372 lines)
From: Alexander Guerrero <[log in to unmask]
VE>
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:41:14 -0400
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Science Hits Venezuelan Streets (400 lines)
From: Maurice Bazin <mauriceb@FLORIPA
.COM.BR>
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:15:07 +0200
Subject:
Re: Science Hits Venezuelan Streets
From:
Maurice Bazin <[log in to unmask]>
;
Date: Tue,
10 Oct 2006 11:15:07 +0200
To:
SCIE
[log in to unmask]
Dear all,
as you
know, I live and act in Brazil. I am
glad to see that Mr Guerrero has no concrete detail to give to counter
the
official Venezuelan informations about their way of doing "Science for
the
People".
I want to
help those on our List who do not live on a daily basis the social
tensions
present in Latin American societies, take advantage of the responses
given by
Mr Guerrero. He is a (rather extreme)
example of "Scientists for Cultural Imperialism". Of course he is in
favor of economic imperialism as defined by US policies and all the
glorifying
talk that goes with it. He appears to be
pretty lowbrow in his way of raising the "communist" threat, etc,
etc. But his position and advocacy are just the result of all the
capitalist
values propagandized by the media propaganda machine of the colossal
empire of
the internationalized ruling class (and its willing and interested
techno
servants with two cars in the garage and private security in the
neighborhood).
We (me
included) have been very gentle with Guerrero's initial pronouncements
because
we looked at him as a person within his society.
We
supposed he could think on his own and
respect what we stand for. But he is
merely an arrogant member of our enemy class.
He even thinks that he can bring us to his side by calling us
what he,
in fact, is: a stooge.
But, don't
be mistaken, he is not a mere stooge. He is a very conscious
reactionary. Maybe
he is even retired (just like me) and grinds his own axe as he finds
himself
outside the running of the distribution of privileges.
Basically
he does not want to loose any of the privileges of his class position,
those
that result from an ideological immersion in global capitalism's value. Those were and are good for him.
There are
millions of this type of arrogant profiteers (individuals, yes, but
organized
as a class and privileged strata throughout Latin america). Physicists among them were running
experiments on a particle accelerator, attempting to publish in
Physical
Review, while Pinochet's troops killed their colleagues at the
Universidad
Tecnica de Chile, a few blocks away.
Mr Guerrero
is probably a scientist, a 'pure' scientist.
Why he bothers with our List is an intriguing question that I
would like
him to answer.
It is
important for us not to dismiss the enemy. I am glad he tries to take
us on,
however clumsily.
Please,
tell us where you come from Señor Guerrero, just like other people
on
this List
have done before.
Sincerely,
Maurice
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I wrote the
following, but did not previously
post it to the list. It is now almost three weeks later, and I have not
had any
response from Alexander Guerrero. Today he posted an item, apparently
not
written by him, in Spanish about the struggle here in Oaxaca. I think
he posted
it without comment. The part of my note to him in my flawed Spanish is
given in
English below the e-mail. –George
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Subject:
Re: Science Hits Venezuelan Streets
From:
George Salzman <[log in to unmask]&
gt;
Date: Tue,
10 Oct 2006 10:20:10 -0500
To: Maurice
Bazin <[log in to unmask]>
;, Alexander Guerrero
<[log in to unmask]><
o:p>
Oaxaca,
Tuesday 10 October 2006
Dear
Maurice and Alexander,
Although you,
Maurice, and I have never
met cara a cara we have become close and trusting friends through the
correspondence of a good number of years. I think I know you, and so
your
invitation to Alexander Guerrero to reveal himself to us, to tell us
who he
really is, comes to me as a very good idea. I have just been through an
episode
in which, behind a cloak of anonymity, several other people and I, and
the
group in which we participate, the Oaxaca Study-Action Group, have
been
deliberately slandered and forbidden to continue meeting in our usual
place,
the so-called Oaxaca Lending Library, run by a group of expatriate
Americans
who love their privileges (as we all do, we who can fly across oceans
and who
never pass a day without food or a night without a
bed).
Pienso,
Sr. Guerrero, que su
nombre y appellido son autenticos. Usted no es anonimo. Me gusta la
verdad.
Estoy un oaxaqueno gringo de edad 81, jubilado y pensionado. Ahorita en
el
Estado de Oaxaca hay una lucha pacifica y fenomenal en lo que una
grande parte
de poblacion del estado quieria cambiar el modo del gobierno del
estado. Yo no
soy Marxista, Leninista, Maoista, Trotskyista, Socialista, etc. Soy
comunalista, en favor de la auto-gobernacion de los comunidades local
en formas
de democracia directa, similar a la tradicion usos y costumbres en
muchos
pueblitos en las sierras de Oaxaca. Tambien no soy capitalista, pero
sin duda
beneficio del hecho que fue nacio en los Estados Unidos del norte, lo
que ha
sacar un grand parte de la riqueza
mondial. Por eso, mi universidad pueda pensionarme y no necesito
de
trabajar para dinero en esta etapa de mi vida. Mi parese que usted es
simpatizante a la ideologia del capitalismo. Que piensa usted sobra la
futura
del mondo para sus biznietos y bisnietas? Ahorita, pienso, no vivimos
en una
civilizacion pero en una anti-civilizacion.
Si interese
leer
mis piensamentos (principalmente en ingles), son ubicados a mi sitio
web. I apologize for my poor
Spanish.
I think, Mr.
Guerrero, that your first
and last names are authentic. You are not anonymous. I like the truth.
I am a
gringo Oaxacan aged 81, retired and pensioned. Now in the State of
Oaxaca there
is a phenomenal pacific struggle in which a large part of the
population of the
state would like to change the form of state government. I am not
Marxist,
Leninist, Maoist, Trotskyist, socialist, etc. I am communalist, in
favor of
self-government of local communities by direct democracy, similar to
the tradition
of uses and customs in many of the small towns in the mountains of
Oaxaca. Also
I am not capitalist, but undoubtedly I benefit from the fact that I was
born in
the United States, which has stripped a large part of global wealth.
Because of
that my university can penion me and I don’t need to work for
money in
this
stage of my life. It appears to me that you are sympathetic to the
ideology of
capitalism. What do you think about the future of the world for your
great
grandsons and great granddaughters? Now, I think, we don’t live
in a
civilization but in an anti-civilization.
If you are
interested to read my thoughts
(mainly in English), they are located on my website.