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>"Barrett has never won any case against so-called "quackery." Negrete and 
>Bolen, who are experts in exposing Barrett as a fraud, have consistently 
>won against him."

Won what??

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From: Jonathan Campbell <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Quackwatch -- Not so fast ....
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:52:25 -0500

Barrett has never won any case against so-called "quackery." Negrete and 
Bolen, who are experts in exposing Barrett as a fraud, have consistently won 
against him.

It is quackwatch that is the fraud, not most of the people he describes. 
There are exceptions. Hulda Clark is one of them. I consider her to be a 
flake and a fraud for calling herself a doctor (I think she has a 
correspondence OD). Barrett takes advantage of a few examples, and paints a 
broad stroke of "quackery" to describe anyone who practices naturopathic 
medicine as a "quack." Most of the articles on quackwatch are unbelievably 
exaggerated, fraudulent, or completely out of context. He has been described 
by Bolen as a shill for the pharmaceutical industry.

If anyone is really interested in finding out what Barrett calls "quackery" 
please refer to the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine by Michael Murray, ND, 
and Joseph Pizzorno, ND. The therapies described, for more than 100 common 
afflictions, use commonly-available supplements and dietary recommendations, 
with clinical evidence and dozens of peer-reviewed articles referenced.

Now, regarding Rath. I have seen his name ravaged by some people on the 
list. Rath and Linus Pauling were the discoverers of the root cause of 
cardiovascular disease in 1991. At the time of the discovery, Pauling was an 
honored member of the National Academy of Sciences, and the article that he 
and Rath authored was scheduled to be published in its Proceedings. At the 
last minute, it was pulled, and no reason was given. They were able to 
publish it in the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine in Canada. You can find 
the article on the net.

Rath, M. and L. Pauling. Solution to the Puzzle of Human Cardiovascular 
Disease: Its Primary Cause is Ascorbate Deficiency Leading to the Deposition 
of Lipoprotein(a) and Fibrinogen/Fibrin in the Vascular Wall. Journal of 
Orthomolecular Medicine 6 (1991): 125-134.

Rath then went on to cancer research, and discovered (in 1992-93) that 
infectious disease and cancer cells spread using a proliferation of 
proteases. In the case of cancer, it is to dissolve nearby tissue; in the 
case of infectious disease it is to enable the vector to invade host cells. 
He discovered that large quantities of the amino acids that comprise the 
target tissues would inhibit these proteases. To repeat: Rath was the 
discoverer of natural protease inhibition in 1992. He naively went to 
Hoffman La Roche to discuss his discovery.

But Rath was promoting use of the natural amino acids lysine and proline as 
protease inhibitors, and no one could make any money selling amino acids 
that cost a few cents a gram retail price. Instead, the company (and other 
companies quickly jumped in) began manufacturing synthetic amino acid 
analogues. This was the beginning of the new era in AIDS treatment - 
extremely expensive synthetic protease inhibitors.

(What was not taken into account is that these analogues also, for a time, 
trick the human tissue synthesis system - they are integrated into human 
tissue, but they're not quite right. Anyone familiar with the "side effects" 
of the AIDS protease inhibitors knows that they cause fat and muscle 
deformity and, eventually, destruction, as the immune system figures out 
that any tissue created with them is "foreign" and should be rejected. In 
other words, autoimmune disease. I don't think I need to go into details 
about AZT and the other ARV drugs. They are chemotherapeutic - they are DNA 
terminators. All of them put the body into stasis, and eventually you die 
from bone marrow destruction.)

Rath went to South Africa to make a stand against the pharmaceutical 
industry there. The TAC was promoting the use of ARVs and protease 
inhibitors to stop the AIDS epidemic, and Rath was determined to provide a 
more natural approach. His work began to pan out - the health of people who 
used his approach improved - and the TAC (and their pharmaceutical industry 
backers) went beserk and sought to muzzle Rath, and almost succeeded. 
Eventually the SA Supreme Court found in Rath's favor.

Jonathan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Entemann" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: Quackwatch -- Not so fast ....


>What cases has he lost save for defamation cases?  Those are notoriously 
>hard for a public figure such as himself to win.  Do you have any 
>information that he has been successfully sued regarding any of his 
>statements about quackery?
>
>Do you feel that many of the areas he attacks are actually valid science or 
>medicine?  I read your seeming support for homeopathy and naturopathy. What 
>else?
>
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>From: Mitchel Cohen <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Quackwatch -- Not so fast ....
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:28:17 -0500
>
>Hey Eric,
>I wouldn't rely on quackwatch too much if I were you. Their leading figure, 
>Stephen Barrett, is losing case after case as the so-called quacks have 
>been turning the tables on the nation's premiere quack. Here's one story 
>from 2 years ago. There are more, but this should do:
>
>http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html
>
>Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch Exposed In Court Cases
>
>At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett conceded 
>that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist because he had 
>failed the certification exam.
>
>This was a major revelation since Barrett had provided supposed expert 
>testimony as a psychiatrist and had testified in numerous court cases. 
>Barrett also had said that he was a legal expert even though he had no 
>formal legal training.
>
>The most damning testimony before the jury, under the intense 
>cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar defamation 
>lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within the past few 
>years and had not won one single one at trial.
>
>During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his ties 
>to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug Administration 
>(FDA).
>
>P R E S S R E L E A S E
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>Date: October 13, 2005
>
>Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania
>
>Court Case: Stephen Barrett, M.D. vs. Tedd Koren, D.C. and Koren 
>Publications, Inc.
>Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County for the State of Pennsylvania
>Court Case No.: 2002-C-1837
>Contact: Carlos F. Negrete
>LAW OFFICES OF CARLOS F. NEGRETE
>San Juan Capistrano, CA 92675
>Phone: 949.493.8115
>Fax: 949.493.8170
>email: [log in to unmask]
>[log in to unmask]
>URL: www.healthfreedomlaw.com
>www.negretelaw.com
>
>Dr. Tedd Koren, DC.
>Phone: 800.537.3001
>267.498.0071 Fax: 267.498.0078
>URL: www.korenpublications.com
>
>Subject: Quackwatch Founder Stephen Barrett loses Major Defamation trial in 
>Hometown
>
>In a stunning development, Lehigh Valley Pennsylvania Judge J. Brian 
>Johnson on Thursday, October 13, 2005, tossed out nationally known 
>self-proclaimed 'consumer medical advocate' Stephen Barrett's defamation 
>lawsuit just minutes before it was going to be considered by a local jury.
>
>The lawsuit, filed in August 2002, against also nationally known 
>Pennsylvania chiropractor, lecturer, researcher and publisher, Stephen 
>Barrett sought unspecified damages against Koren and his company, Koren 
>Publications, Inc. for statements that he wrote in his newsletter in 2001 
>about Barrett.
>
>Barrett, a long-time nemesis of chiropractic, filed the lawsuit because of 
>Koren's publication that Barrett was 'licensed' and in trouble because of a 
>$10 million lawsuit and because Barrett was called a 'Quackpot'.
>
>In his defense, Koren contended that the statements were true and not 
>defamatory and that he had a First Amendment right to write them in his 
>newsletter.
>
>Thursday's ruling by Judge Johnson represented a major reversal of the 
>finding of an arbitration in August 2004 wherein a panel of three local 
>private attorneys reviewing the case had found in favor of Barrett and 
>awarded Barrett $16,500 in damages and that Koren should publish a 
>retraction. That award was appealed by Koren.
>
>Dr. Koren was represented by well-known health freedom San Juan Capistrano, 
>California, attorney Carlos F. Negrete for trial and Washington, D.C. 
>attorney James Turner of Swankin & Turner. Easton, Pennsylvania attorney 
>Christopher Reid of Laub, Seidel, Cohen, Hof & Reid served as local counsel 
>for the team and was co-counsel for the trial along with Negrete.
>
>Turner and Negrete have been well known for their representation of clients 
>in the health food, supplement and vitamin industries as well as 
>representing naturopaths, nurses, dentists, physicians, chiropractors and 
>complimentary therapists across the country.
>
>Turner's experience dates back the 1960s when he joined consumer advocate 
>Ralph Nader and was one of the groundbreaking Nader's Raiders that made 
>consumer advocacy popular and brought about significant changes in 
>manufacturing and consumer protection.
>
>In making the ruling to throw out the case, Judge Johnson granted a rare 
>directed verdict to the jury finding there was insufficient evidence to 
>support Barrett's claims. Judge Johnson indicated that this case was one of 
>those rare times where such a motion was appropriate.
>
>Barrett operates the web site www.quackwatch.org , www.chirobase.org and 20 
>other web sites and has been a long time critic of chiropractic calling 
>much of it"quackery".
>
>The victory to chiropractor Koren comes almost 18 years to the date that 
>chiropractors received national attention with their victory against the 
>American Medical Association (AMA) by obtaining an injunction against the 
>AMA from an Illinois federal judge for engaging in illegal boycotting of 
>doctors chiropractic in Wilk et al vs. AMA.
>
>Barrett had been an outspoken supporter of the AMA at the same time that 
>Koren had been a vocal advocate that the AMA has, in recent years, violated 
>the spirit of the federal judge's order.
>
>After the ruling, Koren proclaimed that: I am overjoyed and enthusiastic 
>that this nightmare is over and that the science, art and philosophy of 
>chiropractic and the work of all of my colleagues have been vindicated.
>
>"This case took a toll on my life and family, but I knew that I was right 
>in publishing the truth."
>
>Dr. Barrett has no right to misinform the public about chiropractic and 
>other natural healing arts or to try to silence anyone who criticizes him 
>or tell consumers that he is not what he purports to be.
>
>"I believe that it is not right to be silent when there is a duty to inform 
>the public and let the truth be told."
>
>For years, Barrett has touted himself as a medical expert on 'quackery' in 
>healthcare and has assisted in dozens of court cases as an expert. He also 
>was called upon by the FDA, FTC and other governmental agencies for his 
>purported expertise.
>
>He was the subject of many magazine interviews, including Time Magazine and 
>featured on television interviews on ABC's 20/20, NBC's Today Show and PBS.
>
>He has gained media fame by his outspoken vocal disgust and impatience over 
>natural or non-medical healthcare, including his criticisms of two time 
>Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling.
>
>Dr. Tedd Koren is known for his writings and lectures on chiropractic 
>science, research, philosophy, and chiropractic patient adjusting.
>
>He is known for his Koren Publications chiropractic patient education 
>brochures, posters, booklets, books and other products that are used in 
>chiropractors' offices throughout the United States and around the world.
>
>Dr. Koren also co-founded a chiropractic college, is on the extension 
>faculty of two chiropractic colleges, is published in chiropractic and 
>bio-medical journals and has received numerous awards in his field. His web 
>sites include www.korenpublications.com and www.teddkorenseminars.com
>
>In his 2001 newsletter, Koren published articles that revealed that even 
>though he touted himself as a medical expert, Barrett had not been a 
>licensed physician since the early 1990s.
>
>He also published that Barrett had been the subject of a $10 million 
>racketeering lawsuit [that had been withdrawn] and called him a 'quackpot' 
>for the contradiction of his website and lack of credentials.
>
>Koren's trial attorney, Carlos F. Negrete of San Juan Capistrano, 
>California, is known for his defense of physicians, chiropractors, 
>dentists, clinics and natural heath providers who practice what is known as 
>complimentary & alternative medicine and holistic healthcare. Negrete has 
>also handled groundbreaking cases against HMOs in California and has 
>represented many celebrities and politicians.
>
>At trial, under a heated cross-examination by Negrete, Barrett conceded 
>that he was not a Medical Board Certified psychiatrist because he had 
>failed the certification exam.
>
>This was a major revelation since Barrett had provided supposed expert 
>testimony as a psychiatrist and had testified in numerous court cases.
>
>Barrett also had said that he was a legal expert even though he had no 
>formal legal training.
>
>The most damming testimony before the jury, under the intense 
>cross-examination by Negrete, was that Barrett had filed similar defamation 
>lawsuits against almost 40 people across the country within the past few 
>years and had not won one single one at trial.
>
>During the course of his examination, Barrett also had to concede his ties 
>to the AMA, Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Food & Drug Administration 
>(FDA).
>
>This was not the first time that Negrete was a trial attorney in a Barrett 
>case. He also represented anti-fluoridation advocate Darlene Sherrell in a 
>federal lawsuit filed in Eugene, Oregon by Barrett.
>
>Barrett also lost in trial of that case. Negrete also represented Robert 
>King of King Bio Natural Medicine of North Carolina and MediaPower 
>(manufacturers of CalMax and Nu-Zymes) of Maine in cases filed by an 
>organization led by Barrett, which were lost by Barrett's organization.
>
>Barrett has also filed a lawsuit against Negrete and his client Dr. Hulda 
>Clark (author of The Cure for All Diseases and The Cure for All Cancers) , 
>which is now pending and awaiting trial in San Diego, California federal 
>court.
>
>After the Koren trial, Negrete stated: "The de-bunker has been de-bunked. I 
>am pleased and satisfied with this outcome for Dr. Koren and am proud that 
>Dr. Koren did not succumb to the pressures of the intimidation of Barrett's 
>legal wrangling. Not everyone can stand up to someone as well known as 
>Barrett."
>
>Negrete continued, "It is another great day for health freedom and 
>alternative healthcare around the world. I am especially pleased that this 
>most important victory was in Barrett's own hometown. It just goes to show 
>you that there is justice anywhere, even when you are a visitor challenging 
>the home team.
>
>Barrett is a shill for the medical and pharmaceutical cartels and his bully 
>tactics and unjustified discrediting of leading innovators, scientists and 
>health practitioners should not be tolerated."
>
>Negrete said, "You can be assured that our legal team will be wherever 
>health freedom advocates and practitioners are being persecuted. The tide 
>is now turning and people are no long accepting that synthetic drugs are 
>the only form of treatment are the only way to address health concerns.
>
>"Every day, consumers are becoming more educated about the benefits of 
>holistic and alternative methods. This is something that the medical 
>establishment obviously fears and wants to crush with false propaganda."
>
>Koren said that he would now go back to his home in Pennsylvania to spend 
>more time with his family and continue to write, research, and lecture on 
>topics concerning chiropractic and healthcare and the experiences he has 
>gained from this precedent setting legal battle.
>
>He plans to give new lectures to chiropractors across the country who are 
>under attack or have been subjected to governmental actions.
>
>He also announced that he is forming a new organization aimed at informing 
>and assisting chiropractors across the country.
>
>The trial started on Monday, October 10, 2005 and ended on October 13, 2005 
>Barrett was represented by local Allentown attorney, Richard Orloski.
>
>
>
>At 09:49 PM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
>>I haven't read all the postings, but have not seen anyone refer to 
>>quackwatch.org.  In my opinion the site has excellent articles debunking 
>>such dangerous nonsense as naturopathy and homeopathy, as well as the 
>>so-called vitamin therapies for AIDS.
>>
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>>From: Michael Balter <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: Science for the People Discussion List
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: list clutter
>>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:57:40 +0100
>>
>>With all due respect to George, I am going to object quite strenuously to
>>this characterization of the debate. If you look back at the entire 
>>thread,
>>you will see that Cohen and Campbell posted one discredited and dubious 
>>link
>>after another in support of their HIV denialism, each one of which I
>>demonstrated to be either misleading or factually incorrect. If I implied
>>that they were ignorant asses as I did so, I think that implication was
>>entirely justified by what I consider to be their dishonest attempts to
>>further their agenda and their complete disregard for scientific evidence.
>>They cited Duesberg, they cited Rath, and as Carrol pointed out, that is
>>pretty reprehensible. I have also been told that nearly everyone here
>>believes that HIV causes AIDS, and that few here believe this is a
>>legitimate topic for debate on this list. I don't think those of us who 
>>are
>>combatting AIDS denialism have closed minds, any more than those of us who
>>think there is ample evidence for the theory of evolution have closed 
>>minds.
>>
>>On 2/16/07, George Salzman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thanks Larry,
>>>       I've refrained from this exchange, but been troubled by its tone. 
>>>I
>>>concur with your comments. What troubles me most is not the alleged
>>>ignorance of Mitchel Cohen or Jonathan Campbell but the unbridled 
>>>arrogance
>>>of some of those who disagree with them and who seem determined to keep
>>>their minds closed. It ought to be possible to believe passionately that
>>>someone's ideas are totally incorrect without attacking them personally 
>>>and
>>>attributing bad motives to them.
>>>Sincerely,
>>>*George *<george.salzman (at) umb.edu>
>>>
>>>Larry Romsted wrote:
>>>
>>>Michael [Balter]:
>>>
>>>I mostly just read (lurk on) this list because a long time ago and what
>>>seemed like another galaxy I was a subscriber to SESPA and because I 
>>>think
>>>of myself as a progressive, leftist scientist.  I am generally silent
>>>because many of the issues discussed on this list like HIV are simply
>>>outside my area of expertise.  I am a physical organic chemist by 
>>>training
>>>doing research in colloid and surface chemistry and trying to keep the 
>>>harm
>>>I do in my science to a minimum.  Not easy when one has to scrounge for
>>>money to keep it going.  You can find me on the Web.  I am the only 
>>>Romsted
>>>and I do chemistry at Rutgers University in New Brunswick.
>>>
>>>But that is not why I am writing.  I want to address your use of the word
>>>"troll" to describe Mitchel Cohen ( I do not know Campbell).
>>>
>>>In brief, wrong.
>>>
>>>Mitchel is a long time political activist in New York City and we are of 
>>>a
>>>similar age.  I have been active in spurts since the early sixties, a bit 
>>>as
>>>an undergraduate and then more as a graduate student at Indiana 
>>>University.
>>>  Mitchel has been continuously active.  I first met Mitchel during the
>>>political struggle around WBAI and Pacifica.  We worked together
>>>periodically for about four years on the effort to bring democracy to
>>>Pacifica.  That struggle is not over and Mitchel is currently serving on 
>>>the
>>>Local Station Board of WBAI.  I am currently holed up in my chemistry 
>>>office
>>>doing the publish or perish bit.
>>>
>>>Mitchel and I have never had extensive discussions about science, health,
>>>etc., because we were always talking about WBAI/Pacifica.  But I know 
>>>this.
>>>  Mitchel is NOT malicious.  He does not try to sow dissension.  Not his
>>>goal.  He does state his opinions and tries to do so clearly.
>>>
>>>So, when you disagree with him, just say so.  He will listen.
>>>
>>>In struggle,
>>>
>>>Larry Romsted
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>www.michaelbalter.com
>>
>>******************************************
>>Michael Balter
>>Contributing Correspondent, Science
>>[log in to unmask]
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