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Actually the promulgation of right-wing conspiracy theories gives me  
more pause about being on this list more than a reasonable debate  
about how best to challenge race/IQ theories.


On Feb 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Jonathan Campbell wrote:

> George,
>
>       Please don't let the Balterdash drive you from the list.
>
>       When I said that I could only guess Balter's motives for  
> being on the list, and that my guesses would not be kind, I meant  
> exactly that. My guess is that he is here to drive away anyone who  
> questions the scientific authority of the elite. Whether paid to do  
> so or whether he thinks it is his mission to do so, he has driven  
> people to wonder why on earth they are subscribed. He thinks it's  
> reasonable to debate race and intelligence (more than 30 posts in a  
> day, on a topic that was done and finished years ago), but if we  
> challenge other beliefs that HE happens to hold dear, and you get  
> yourself compared to a slug.
>
> Jon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Salzman
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Genetics & Race
>
> Subject: Re: Genetics & Race
> From: Michael Balter <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:06:30 +0000
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> This is such an amazing distortion of my position on the issues we  
> have been discussing that I find it staggering and question myself  
> whether it is possible to discuss these issues here. I will leave  
> the list if George personally asks me to, although I would be  
> interested to hear whether others feel that these discussions have  
> been useless.
>
> M
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Dear Michael,
>       The issues here are much larger than you or me or the SftP  
> listserv. The listserv has hardly discussed anything bearing  
> directly on the fact that global human society is on a dead-end. I  
> forget whether it's 80,000 people a day who die, basically from  
> malnutrition, lack of potable water and related deprivation. The  
> number is huge, and most of them are children, and most of them  
> have skin color different from that of damn near everyone on this  
> list. How many of us middle class people know the amount of fossil  
> fuel we consume with our automobiles, air conditioning, electric  
> dishwashers and driers, home laundry equipment, power lawn mowers,  
> air travel, audio and television equipment, electric tooth-brushes  
> and pencil sharpeners, ski-lifts and snow-making machinery,  
> electric golf carts, overheated overlighted large houses, electric  
> blankets, second houses, motor boats, power-this and power-that?  
> How many thousand miles a year do we feel we are 'entitled' to fly  
> and drive? What part have you, Michael, taken in the struggle to  
> prevent that great center of scientific research, the University of  
> California at Berkeley, from firing (or, as they say in academize,  
> not granting tenure, as though tenure is a gift from the all high  
> administrators) to Ignacio Chapela? What has the American  
> Association for the Advancement of Science done to confront that  
> threat to so-called academic freedom bought and paid for by  
> Syngenta? And how much of its budget does the AAAS get from federal  
> sources? The threat to the world's food supply is not being done by  
> mistake, it's for profit above all else. The transgenic  
> contamination of corn, first discovered here in Oaxaca and reported  
> in Nature by Ignacio Chapela and a student of his, David Quist, was  
> disowned by the cowardly editorial staff of Nature on the basis of  
> a campaign mounted by the biotech industry. I've written about it  
> in the posting that begins,
> -------------
> Mexico, birthplace of corn, threatened by its contamination
> Scientist who first announced the danger threatened by firing
>
> A chance for you to act
> May 2, 2004
>
> this page is at http://site.www.umb.edu/faculty/salzman_g/Strate/ 
> Salz/2004-05-02.htm
>
> Subject: Help protect honest, courageous scientists. Not just an  
> academic matter.
> From: George Salzman <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 19:31:11 -0500; 20:03:05 -0500
> To: [log in to unmask]
> BCC: (entire general list)
>
>       Corn is a primary food for many millions of humans.  
> Transgenic corn was invented by agro-industrial giants in pursuit  
> of greater profits. In 1998 the Mexican government, aware of the  
> threat to its native corn, prohibited planting transgenic seeds,  
> but permitted their importation for animal feed. In November 2001,  
> in Nature, a premier British science magazine, Prof. Ignacio  
> Chapela of the University of California at Berkeley and David  
> Quist, a graduate student, reported finding transgenic  
> contamination of Mexican corn. Agricultural bio-tech interests  
> mounted a vigorous smear campaign to discredit the research. But  
> the original results were subsequently confirmed. In that same  
> year, 2001, Prof. Chapela's review for tenure began. After three  
> years, the Chancellor of the Berkeley campus denied tenure. Prof.  
> Chapela's position there is set to end on June 30.
> -------------
>       How much are you paid to plow the narrow furrow that you are  
> assigned? Have you ever seen and talked with a farmer who workes  
> with his or her hands, who relies more on metabolic energy than  
> what I call mechanical energy to sustain the life of his or her  
> family? Do you have any idea why so many of them here in Oaxaca  
> have had to abandon their land to seek jobs to get money as hand  
> laborers in the great USA as roofers, stoop laborers in  
> agribusiness-run industrial farms? Do you think that possibly, just  
> possibly, it might not be because of their inferior genetic  
> heritage? In any event, I'm not interested in reading your 'science- 
> out-of-context' arguments, written from within your subsidized  
> middle-class bubble. Subsidized, I should add, as all of us middle- 
> class folk are, by the labor of the poor people of the world and  
> the robbery of so-called natural resources, which is rapidly  
> destroying the ecosphere, as many frequent-flyer ecologists and  
> other learned persons run around the world informing the rest of us.
>
>       There's no reason for me to ask you to leave the SftP  
> listserv. If others want to make an effort to change your  
> perception of the world, that's no longer a concern of mine. I just  
> want Steve to take me off this list.
>
> Sincerely, with disappointment but not personal rancor,
> George
>
>