Re: list clutter
I mostly just read (lurk on) this list because a long time ago and what seemed like another galaxy I was a subscriber to SESPA and because I think of myself as a progressive, leftist scientist. I am generally silent because many of the issues discussed on this list like HIV are simply outside my area of expertise. I am a physical organic chemist by training doing research in colloid and surface chemistry and trying to keep the harm I do in my science to a minimum. Not easy when one has to scrounge for money to keep it going. You can find me on the Web. I am the only Romsted and I do chemistry at Rutgers University in New Brunswick.
But that is not why I am writing. I want to address your use of the word “troll” to describe Mitchel Cohen ( I do not know Campbell).
In brief, wrong.
Mitchel is a long time political activist in New York City and we are of a similar age. I have been active in spurts since the early sixties, a bit as an undergraduate and then more as a graduate student at Indiana University. Mitchel has been continuously active. I first met Mitchel during the political struggle around WBAI and Pacifica. We worked together periodically for about four years on the effort to bring democracy to Pacifica. That struggle is not over and Mitchel is currently serving on the Local Station Board of WBAI. I am currently holed up in my chemistry office doing the publish or perish bit.
Mitchel and I have never had extensive discussions about science, health, etc., because we were always talking about WBAI/Pacifica. But I know this. Mitchel is NOT malicious. He does not try to sow dissension. Not his goal. He does state his opinions and tries to do so clearly.
So, when you disagree with him, just say so. He will listen.
P.S. I have not paid much attention to homeopathy, but what I have read and hear seems like nonsense.
P.P.S. Ignoring the details, I too feel, like Mitchel, that “Marxists” (whatever that means exactly, I think mostly of those in and around Marxist organizations that appear at demonstrations for example) I have met, known, and read, have not come to grips with ecology, environment, etc. and have therefore failed to have a powerful influence on it. Marxist in the past treated the environment as an endless resource to be exploited, not preserved.
On 2/16/07 11:49 AM, "Michael Balter" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
That seems reasonable to me, and if there is general agreement that Cohen and Campbell are trolls, then I will limit any responses to them in the future. As far as the issue of AIDS goes, I have posted a fair amount of material that I believe counters their viewpoints effectively.
With apologies to Martha for annoyances caused, even if I am not the one here pushing people like Matthias Rath and Peter Duesberg who have a lot of blood on their hands.
On 2/16/07, Louis Proyect <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>The issue of the tone of posts is a different matter. I do not think it is
>an ad hominen attack to post information which contradicts a statement
>made here. It might be an ad hominen attack to say that the left is overly
>tolerant of stupid and uninformed viewpoints, although I would say that
>the left needs to deal with stupidity and ignorance in its ranks if it is
>ever to get anywhere. So in some cases, especially when someone is
>claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS, a more pointed response might
>indeed be appropriate.
I think the real issue is volume. I would urge either side in the debate to
limit themselves to one or two posts a day. The kind of tit-for-tat that is
going on right now is not that helpful. Furthermore, I am not sure whether
it is worth answering Mitchell Cohen or Jonathan Campbell because they are
bordering on trolldom.