Herb Fox has agreed to be a backup co-owner. Any other volunteers, very much including you, Mandi, would be welcome. 



On Jul 2, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Mandi Smallhorne wrote:

Don't you think there should be several co-owners? George got landed with
this because of no response from one co-owner, for whatever reason. I think
there should be four people (maybe five, but that might be pushing it) with
the hot button, as that would mean you're unlikely to get one person alone
in charge at any time.
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From: "Eric Entemann" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Should I replace George as co-owner?

You have my vote.

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From: Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Should I replace George as co-owner?
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:39:45 -0700

Dear SftP list members,

If you approve, I am willing to take on the task of list "co-owner."

George Salzman, who did so much to found this list and increase its
membership has asked twice now to be relieved of the burden as "co-
which means, in essence moderator. I am grateful he has  reinstated
Balter, though I was critical of the way he  removed him in the first

A while ago, in response to George's first request, I offered to be
moderator, but most who responded did not want a moderator. In the  light
that, and subsequent events, I want to make clear that I  would try to
censorship of any sort, unless a clear consensus  forms that someone is
doing great damage to the list. The only  exception would be clear

I am forwarding my original moderation guidelines unchanged, but want  to
make clear these would only be guidelines, not rules. If I note
I would suggest to the violator(s)  that maybe they could  modify their
posting habits accordingly. I would be open to further  suggestions as to
how to  improve these guidelines, of course.

Herb Fox is willing to be a more passive (yet) co-owner, ready to  jump in
if I flag overmuch.

Anyone else who wishes to be a candidate should let us all know.


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From: Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask]>
Date: June 5, 2007 11:56:45 AM PDT
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Moderation
Reply-To: Science for the People Discussion List <SCIENCE-FOR-THE-
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I am willing to be one of several people taking turns moderating,  but I
would rather start my turn in about three  weeks.
Here are the ground rules I would propose to  use:

1. A maximum of four posts per person per day, of which no more  than two
can be on the same topic or thread. (This will allow for  the Phil's
of articles.)

2. Respect for other's viewpoints in replies. If one can find no  basis
respect, either one is very far out on a limb or enough  others will feel
the same that no reply is required.

3. Germaneness to the list. Does this post have to do with science?  Does
it have a connection with a left perspective, loosely defined?

4. Originality. Does the post say something that has not been said
the last couple of months, at the very least?

5. Some respect for the intelligence and knowledge of the average  group
member in each post.

6. No blanket condemnations or personal attacks.

7. No posts whose point is to argue that one's particular version  of
leftism is better than someone else's.

8. An urge that everyone exercise self-restraint. Despite the  limits of
four post per day, most people should post far fewer,  probably no more
than one every few days.


9. Moderators should encourage the practice that each post should  try to
offer a constructive alternative to what is being  criticized, for exampl
a sounder policy about vaccinations or how  drug innovation should

10. Moderators should encourage the practice of humility in the  form of
posts. It is an open question as to what would truly  constitute "science
for the people" or even how to bring about a  better, fairer world. We
more questions than answers, and that  is appropriate to acknowledge.

If no one else is willing to co-moderate, I would urge everyone to  try
follow these suggestions (perhaps a smodified by others) for  the time
being anyway.

(In the meantime, for those who find the last few days  entertaining, I
suggest somene start a new list:Vituperation for  the People. Each post
would at least have to explain why the poster  deserves to be on that
but someone else does not. )


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