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Jerm> Everyone always puts in for what they drive and I'm no different. I just got my second Outback for under 23k, w. standard shift which is the only kind you want for a ski vehicle. Everything Subaru makes is AWD all the time, which is far superior to 4WD that the driver must select. I think Subaru makes the best vehicles out there on a performance/$ basis. Recalling a recent thread I'll also note that it has heated front seats. I'm looking forward to using them. Of course I'm just an old fart throwing my $0.02 on the table in a room full of car crazies with engine oil in their veins. :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont. To unsubscribe, visit http://list.uvm.edu/archives/skivt-l.html