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Terry Wright writes: "For those non-scientists reading these posts, I hope 
this back and forth discussion does not seem like bickering...."
Bickering? Hardly. This discussion is fascinating and exciting. Many thanks 
to all the experts who are contributing to it!
Cheers,
Charlotte Bill
Enosburgh, VT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Wright" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Flank patch caveat for ARLO identification


> Steve,
>
> Thanks for the great pics.   This is quite an interesting twist on the 
> discussion of field marks.   Of course, the Chin Strap on your bird pegs 
> it as a Pacific.   I spoke with one of the folks who has seen the VT/NY 
> bird and they describe a very detailed flank patch very similar in shape 
> to that shown in Sibley and National Geo.   Also, they have noted the 
> angular forehead and relatively flat shape to the top of the head.  There 
> was a lot of activity on the lake today looking for this bird, with one 
> interesting candidate being followed.    A local research vessel was even 
> employed, but I do not know the outcome and hope it gets posted here. 
> For those non-scientists reading these posts, I hope this back and forth 
> discussion does not seem like bickering.  But, scholarly challenge and 
> debate is one of the cornerstones of science which has made our country so 
> very strong in the many sciences.   Researchers do not take these 
> challenges personally, but a vigorous debate is welcomed to come the the 
> 'truth' of matters which are often not black and white.
>
> Good birding,
>
> Terry
>
> Steve Mirick wrote:
>> In July 2004, we had a cooperative Pacific Loon spend a couple of days 
>> along the NH seacoast.  Although it didn't show white flanks that often, 
>> it clearly did show them at times as shown below.  For this reason, I 
>> think that extreme caution should be used to base an ID of Arctic Loon on 
>> this field mark alone.
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~smirick/photos/palo3.jpg
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~smirick/photos/palo4.jpg
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~smirick/photos/palo5.jpg
>>
>> Steve Mirick
>> Bradford, MA
>>
>>
>>
>