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If I ignore all the pejorative stuff in David's email, I basically agree
with it.  I would add, what should scientists being to build the new
revolutionary and anti-imperialist movement?

Larry Romsted

On 4/30/08 12:05 PM, "David Westman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> What we are witnessing in the debate between Balter and Proyect is the
> sniping of two sterile, demoralized pseudo-leftists who cannot get over the
> obstacles presented by the history of the past several decades.  In fact,
> Cuba is not socialist and never has been socialist.  Modern-day Cuba was
> established according to the Stalinist model of state capitalism that was
> the outcome of the degeneration of of a failed attempt to build socialism by
> the Bolsheviks.   Balter, who is a fool parading as an authority, sees
> nothing to do about this but offer us demoralized platitudes about how
> socialism is impossible, and therefore we must conciliate the US
> imperialists and prettify the meager "freedoms" we supposedly enjoy here,
> where workers are being driven to the wall by a looming economic crisis.
> Proyect, equally demoralized and sterile, continues to harp on the false
> picture presented by revisionist dogma, and apologize for what has happened
> in Cuba by insisting that socialism equals state capitalism and that
> inequalities between the elite and the masses in Cuba don't really matter.
>  Both sides in this debate offer the real revolutionary left in the USA
> nothing but dead-ends.
> 
> The need to build a new revolutionary and anti-imperialist movement in the
> USA is becoming more pressing every day.  Besides the economic crisis
> referred to above, the people of this country are faced with murderous wars
> being waged by the US bourgeoisie in Iraq and Afghanistan, the danger of a
> war with Iran, and US support for Zionist domination of the occupied
> territories in Palestine, which has caused nothing but misery for the
> Palestinian people, as well as climate change and hunger brought on by
> predatory imperialist trade policies.  Rather than getting involved in such
> sterile debates, I urge the members of this list to move on to building such
> a movement, sum up the experience of the last several decades from an
> anti-revisionist perspective, and devote their energies to rejuvenating the
> left and ridding it of the baggage demonstrated to us by this sort of
> debate.  Only then can we begin to fight capitalism and imperialism the way
> it should be fought.