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Argh!  Poor sentence corrected below.

Larry

On 4/30/08 1:41 PM, "Larry Romsted" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> If I ignore all the pejorative stuff in David's email, I basically agree
> with it.  I would add, what should scientists contribute to the building the
> new revolutionary and anti-imperialist movement?
> 
> Larry Romsted
> 
> On 4/30/08 12:05 PM, "David Westman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> What we are witnessing in the debate between Balter and Proyect is the
>> sniping of two sterile, demoralized pseudo-leftists who cannot get over the
>> obstacles presented by the history of the past several decades.  In fact,
>> Cuba is not socialist and never has been socialist.  Modern-day Cuba was
>> established according to the Stalinist model of state capitalism that was
>> the outcome of the degeneration of of a failed attempt to build socialism by
>> the Bolsheviks.   Balter, who is a fool parading as an authority, sees
>> nothing to do about this but offer us demoralized platitudes about how
>> socialism is impossible, and therefore we must conciliate the US
>> imperialists and prettify the meager "freedoms" we supposedly enjoy here,
>> where workers are being driven to the wall by a looming economic crisis.
>> Proyect, equally demoralized and sterile, continues to harp on the false
>> picture presented by revisionist dogma, and apologize for what has happened
>> in Cuba by insisting that socialism equals state capitalism and that
>> inequalities between the elite and the masses in Cuba don't really matter.
>>  Both sides in this debate offer the real revolutionary left in the USA
>> nothing but dead-ends.
>> 
>> The need to build a new revolutionary and anti-imperialist movement in the
>> USA is becoming more pressing every day.  Besides the economic crisis
>> referred to above, the people of this country are faced with murderous wars
>> being waged by the US bourgeoisie in Iraq and Afghanistan, the danger of a
>> war with Iran, and US support for Zionist domination of the occupied
>> territories in Palestine, which has caused nothing but misery for the
>> Palestinian people, as well as climate change and hunger brought on by
>> predatory imperialist trade policies.  Rather than getting involved in such
>> sterile debates, I urge the members of this list to move on to building such
>> a movement, sum up the experience of the last several decades from an
>> anti-revisionist perspective, and devote their energies to rejuvenating the
>> left and ridding it of the baggage demonstrated to us by this sort of
>> debate.  Only then can we begin to fight capitalism and imperialism the way
>> it should be fought.