Argh! Poor sentence corrected below. Larry On 4/30/08 1:41 PM, "Larry Romsted" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > If I ignore all the pejorative stuff in David's email, I basically agree > with it. I would add, what should scientists contribute to the building the > new revolutionary and anti-imperialist movement? > > Larry Romsted > > On 4/30/08 12:05 PM, "David Westman" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> What we are witnessing in the debate between Balter and Proyect is the >> sniping of two sterile, demoralized pseudo-leftists who cannot get over the >> obstacles presented by the history of the past several decades. In fact, >> Cuba is not socialist and never has been socialist. Modern-day Cuba was >> established according to the Stalinist model of state capitalism that was >> the outcome of the degeneration of of a failed attempt to build socialism by >> the Bolsheviks. Balter, who is a fool parading as an authority, sees >> nothing to do about this but offer us demoralized platitudes about how >> socialism is impossible, and therefore we must conciliate the US >> imperialists and prettify the meager "freedoms" we supposedly enjoy here, >> where workers are being driven to the wall by a looming economic crisis. >> Proyect, equally demoralized and sterile, continues to harp on the false >> picture presented by revisionist dogma, and apologize for what has happened >> in Cuba by insisting that socialism equals state capitalism and that >> inequalities between the elite and the masses in Cuba don't really matter. >> Both sides in this debate offer the real revolutionary left in the USA >> nothing but dead-ends. >> >> The need to build a new revolutionary and anti-imperialist movement in the >> USA is becoming more pressing every day. Besides the economic crisis >> referred to above, the people of this country are faced with murderous wars >> being waged by the US bourgeoisie in Iraq and Afghanistan, the danger of a >> war with Iran, and US support for Zionist domination of the occupied >> territories in Palestine, which has caused nothing but misery for the >> Palestinian people, as well as climate change and hunger brought on by >> predatory imperialist trade policies. Rather than getting involved in such >> sterile debates, I urge the members of this list to move on to building such >> a movement, sum up the experience of the last several decades from an >> anti-revisionist perspective, and devote their energies to rejuvenating the >> left and ridding it of the baggage demonstrated to us by this sort of >> debate. Only then can we begin to fight capitalism and imperialism the way >> it should be fought.