Actually, Goat precedes Liftline, National, and Starr.  It's on the
1943 trail map of $teaux, though unlike the other trails, it doesn't
have a number or a trail description.  The map shows five or six
switchbacks and that it started between the Octagon and the top of the
summit lift (I assume the single) and ended at Nose Dive, just below
where the old Rim Rock trail entered Nose Dive.  My guess is that it
may have been an entirely different trail from the one we know today.
Parts of it may be what is now referred to as Old Goat.

--Matt K.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM, John Babyak
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> My understanding is the first "Front Four" trail was cut in the early
> 1950s..."The National", as it was then called, was finally completed in
> early 1952, in time to be the site of that year's U.S. National Skiing
> Championships.
> But the "Front Four" didn't actually come to fruition until 1960, when Stowe
> completed the cutting of Goat and Starr (the later named after the resort's
> co-founder, C.V. Starr).  By Eastern U.S. standards, all four trails are
> fairly steep...of course, steepness isn't just a matter of pitch...length
> (and grooming) certainly count too.  Top-to-bottom, ungroomed Goat is
> considered by many to be the most challenging named trail at Stowe.  Starr,
> which starts with a dramatic 37 degree pitch, then eases up a bit to end at
> 34 degrees, but ends little more than halfway down the mountain when it hits
> Lookout.
> Actually, Nose Dive encompasses much of the history of U.S. skiing in one
> trail.  Back in the day, everyone hiked to the summit, then skied a steep,
> narrow chute snaking down the front face of a mountain.  Eventually the Nose
> Dive was tamed, widened, and made lift accessible in 1940 with the
> installation of the single chair lift.  While no longer the challenge it
> once was, Nose Dive remains an historically significant trail.  None of
> Stowe's legendary trails -- Nose Dive, The National, Goat, Starr and
> Liftline -- follow their original routing exactly, as Wes pointed out in his
> thread.
> --John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon Lives [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:46 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] Partee story - told to a different audience
> While my only experience at Stowe is at the skivt-l partee extravaganzas for
> the last few years, I had previously heard of the "Legendary Front Four". I
> had imagined these were pretty darned challenging trails, but IMO, they are
> just a bunch of steeper runs, some ungroomed, some groomed. Goat is the only
> one that is somewhat narrow, but only at the top. So, what I'm thinking, is
> that Henry may be correct in that these used to be much narrower, classic
> New England trails, that truly were much more challenging back in the day,
> hence the "legendary" status. Can anyone verify? -Sh On Thu, 17 Apr 2008
> 08:14:08 -0500, Barboza, Henry wrote: > >Wes stated: > >>WHile I am amazed
> that, considering I was choosing the route for most >of the descents, I
> can't recognize many of the >places where Ben >and Kevin's photos were shot,
> I do recognize that one. It is the top of >"Old National," the original
> >trail. That entrance has been >officially closed ever since they built the
> Lookout Double around 1978, >and bulldozed the >cat track from there to Lift
> Line, brutally slashing >across the original trails. This rcontouring
> officially closed upper >>National and Lift Line, since they now terminate
> in small ledge drops >onto a busy traverse with blind openings. Only in >the
> last year or so >have I seen the rope there occasionally missing, indicating
> that it >might actually be a real trail >again -- much like pper Lift Line
> has >made a recent comeback. It certainly skis better than it did, say, 10
> >years ago -- >somebody has cleaned up some (but not all) of the 30 years
> >of forest progression and regeneration. > >Finally, these short little
> trails off of the upper traverse make sense. >I had thought at one time that
> both the run under the quad chair at the >very top and the next run over
> from that (skier's right), were simply >trails that the locals had maybe
> made up and kept cleared, especially >considering the ugly dropoffs at the
> end of each of them where they >spill out onto the traverse above today's
> National and Lift Line. I can >see now how both must have at one time simply
> led straight done onto >National and Lift Line, and that the lower traverse
> really was a huge >cut into the side of the mountain. I would also guess
> that both >National and Lift Line were at one time much narrower then they
> are >today (at least judging by the way they are at the very top). They must
> >have really been something back then, probably both much more similar to
> >Goat then what they currently are. I also thought that Nosedive was a >lot
> more radical too then what it is today. That too looks like it had >some
> major recontouring with the bulldozer. > >By the way, and I think this has
> been discussed before, but what's the >history behind the trail off the top
> of Goat? I have heard this >referred to as Old Goat and Pipeline 1. Was this
> the original Goat? If >so, I can't imagine how they use to ski it with the
> equipment they had >years ago as this is one steep and narrow trail. >
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