So that I don't break forum rules, Which topic is censored? 1) Missing references in HIV papers. 2) Semantics of "virus isolation". or 3) Any criticism of HIV theory. Jim West www.geocities.com/noxot ==== On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:02:18 -0700, Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Jim, > >I asked you and others to stop posting on this topic. It is quite >clear to me that no evidence will persuade you. Likewise, you will not >persuade most of us. If you post again on this, unless other list >members object, I will moderate all your posts and remove those on >this topic. That will delay all your posts, as I cannot be constantly >monitoring. > >Michael >------- >Michael H. Goldhaber >SftP list moderator > > >On Aug 1, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Jim West wrote: > >> Michael Goldhaber; >> >> You write: >> >> "Isolating an bioactive agent merely means being able to culture it >> from infected tissue, that is grow it in more or less pure form, then >> detect the agent , say by electron microscopy and then use it to >> transmit the infection in some way." >> >> My response: >> >> "More or less pure" ?? That would mean the resulting observations >> would be >> "more or less pure". In the case of many viruses, the virus is >> virtually >> undetectable in the "pure strain". >> >> Inspired by definition of "isolating a bioactive agent", I have >> looked up a >> standard definition for "isolate" and it is contradicts you, unless >> you are >> accenting your phrase, "less pure". >> >> "Isolate: A sample from a defined source." -- Roger Hull, Fred >> Brown, Chris >> Payne, Virology: Directory and Dictionary of Animal, Bacterial, and >> Plant >> Viruses (1989) >> >> Not very precise. That could mean "mud from a pond". >> >> Virus "isolation" seems to be a great... semantic achievement. >> >> Jim West >> www.geocities.com/noxot >> >> ===== >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:26:31 -0700, Michael H Goldhaber <[log in to unmask] >> > wrote: >> >>> 1. Isolating an bioactive agent merely means being able to culture it >>> from infected tissue, that is grow it in more or less pure form, then >>> detect the agent , say by electron microscopy and then use it to >>> transmit the infection in some way. For anyone genuinely interested, >>> I am sure any textbook on infectious diseases would explain this. >>> Such >>> books can be found in any medical library, and probably in any >>> hospital library. >>> >>> 2. Likewise there are books and journals devoted to HIV/AIDs by now >>> that surely would provide numerous references to the isolation of the >>> virus in many different laboratories. >>> >>> 3. If you read further down the reference Michael Balter provided you >>> will see citations related to isolating HIV from AIDS cases. >>> >>> 4. Therefore, I think it is pretty clear that the people questioning >>> the HIV hypothesis do not want to be enlightened on this subject, and >>> are finding utterly fake reasons to continue to argue. >>> >>> 5. So please drop the subject. It is phony. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Michael >>> ------- >>> Michael H. Goldhaber >>> SftP list moderator >>> >>> >>> >>