Terry's is definitely a Green (faunus). I agree with an earlier comment that yours is an Eastern Comma (comma), winter form...

From: Vermont Butterfly Survey [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Manship
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help

You didn't say what your ID choice's are for Terry's Comma or mine base on the photos that we posted. I for one would like to hear what ID's you came up with and way. I looked at the ventral image that Terry posted and the one I posted , the comma on the image I posted has more of an L shape to me and is hooked on both ends. Terry's I thought appears to have a softer curve with a hooked end more C like making Terry's Green Comma ID correct and in fact my Green could be anything but a Green. Is that right ? This is all good stuff but is very confusing at times. Alex what is your ID opinion of the two Comma images we posted? Help out here.
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Grkovich, Alex
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help

Bear in mind that one real good field mark for Hoary (and Gray) Comma is in the shape of the "comma mark" on the VHW. In Hoaries it is an "L", not a "C" with hooked ends...Well, this is not always true in Green females...but is true in males...
Also, Hoaries are VERY distinctly two-toned below, much darker inward and much lighter (gray) outward...

From: Vermont Butterfly Survey on behalf of Peter Manship
Sent: Sat 9/20/2008 7:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help

Hi Terry,

What great photos you got, how lucky to have it landing on your hand.  Just
like you said I too am finding  ID'ing  Commas somewhat challenging and
would welcome others input. I'll leave you with this to think about from
page 183 of Butterflies of the East Coast about IDing the Green Comma
"Virtually all marking are variable, both geographically and within
populations" not much help there!
 As for the image of the ventral view that I posted looking through the
plastic jar lid doesn't show the green color that could be seen on the
forward wing  margins which lead me to the Green Comma ID.  But your point
is a good one and it could be a Eastern Comma but I think we'll never know
the answer to that question. The good thing in all this is that the next
time I find one of these Comma's I will look allot harder at the marking and
photograph them well before letting it go. And for what it worth I looked at
your photos and thought Hoary Comma, because of the gray wing fringe and the
ruffled wing shape. The ventral view shows a pattern bellow the comma hw
that I couldn't find on the Green,Gray or Eastern Commas looking in
Butterflies of the East Coast. All this just adds to the ID dilemma of

Peter Manship
Ludlow Vt
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From: "Terry L. Rosenmeier" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Green or Hoary Comma ID help

> Peter, thank you for posting the question and photos.
> We were in northern NH earlier this month not that far from where you were
> (Dartmouth College Grant), and we saw lots of commas and struggled with
> the IDs ourselves.  We think that we were seeing mostly Green Commas, but
> they didn't look like the one in your photos.  We're wondering if yours
> might be an Eastern Comma.
> The ones we saw had very jagged wing edges, had the innermost dot on the
> upper forewing dot band doubled across the vein , and had bright yellow
> chevrons on the upper forewing, .  Most had green markings on the
> underwings, but that was only visible in good light.
> I'm attaching photos I took of one that we saw and decided was a Green,
> just in case anybody else wants to weigh in on this.  (This guy was very
> friendly and insisted on landing on us, staying on us even as we walked!)
> We're finding that comma ID is not all that straightforward, but we enjoy
> the challenge and welcome further discussion!
> Terry Rosenmeier
> Karen Kluge
> Hanover, NH
> ========================
> Can anyone confirm the I.D. of this butterfly (see images) I found it
> yesterday on Big Brook rd in Pittsburg N.H. (I know it's not VT but where
> else can I find the answer?) I think it's a Green Comma and just want to
> make sure.I was going back and forth between Green and Hoary Comma. Tails
> not right for a Gray to me, Gray's tail is much darker and fancier alone
> the
> edge.
> Thanks in advance for the help!
> Also seen up there:
> Morning Cloak   hundreds of them everywhere,   over 80 on Big Brook rd
> alone, this was an         amazing site. I think they must have just
> hatched
> on Tuesday , they all looked brand new
> Red Admiral  7
> Monarch  1
> Cabbage White  15++
> Orange Sulfur  3
> Peter Manship
> Ludlow Vt