----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Eric EntemannSent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:37 AMSubject: Re: Marx, Redux (Well, Sort of...)Your holsteins must have been unusually polite. I saw one defecate on an inspector who happened to be sitting behind her taking notes on a clipboard. Accompanied by a loud belch, if I recall correctly...
And they did love that silage, which contained a not-insignificant amount of ethanol.
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:24:54 -0500
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Subject: Re: Marx, Redux (Well, Sort of...)
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Well, I grew up on a farm with holsteins, which I take are fairly typical for cows, and I don't think I ever heard one belch. And 500 litres would demand a great deal of belching. Perhaps the feed nowadays is richer; ours were fed corn meal, molassas and alfalfa.Louis G----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Eric EntemannSent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:35 PMSubject: Re: Marx, Redux (Well, Sort of...)"Cattle are capable of producing 500 litres of the potent greenhouse gas every day, mostly through belching. * Researchers at the Rowett Research Institute have found a way of cutting back on the methane produced by ruminants like sheep and cows."
* the energy equivalent of about one-sixth of a gallon of gasoline
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:12:47 -0500
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> Subject: Re: Marx, Redux (Well, Sort of...)
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> Not quite right Louis. There are environmentalists who open up new
> possibilities for capitalism and there are those who in the spirit of
> Marx show the connection between the current sources of destruction of
> the environment in capitalism and also show that degradation of the
> environment is one more form of class oppression. You have a very ugly
> view of the working class Louis as your comment on Claudia's post
> exhibited. I am offended; my class brothers have given leadership to
> many struggles that you consider to be intrinsically the domain of
> "intellectuals." [Could it be that you are not yourself of the working
> class and your attack stems from intellectual self-hate?]
> Being concerned about massive cow farting is only partly an attack on
> "industrial" capitalism, since agricultural workers and small farmers
> are also tied to the production of cow meat. In addition, your quote
> ignores the tight connection between finance capital and industrial
> capital. In any historical period there is but one capitalism thoroughly
> Louis R Godena wrote:
> > "One of the great failings of the left has been that rather than
> > challenge the main trend of capitalism, they have reinforced it. At a
> > time when capitalism has retreated from production, the radicals’ main
> > demand is that they retreat further. And here it is the ideology of
> > environmentalism that has done the most damage. The environmentalists
> > think that they are anti-capitalists. But they are not. At best what
> > they are doing is attacking industrial capitalism."
> > http://www.platypus1917.org/archive/article135/
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