I emailed my local Ovid rep and said I hoped someone at Ovid was monitoring this discussion (they usually do, I think), because there was significant discontent in the ranks... I'm not going to MLA, but I hope you DO all speak your piece there - you go! On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Vonville, Helena M < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > It looks as though I really struck a chord with this topic. > > What if those of us who are attending MLA all converged on the Ovid booth > at specified time to protest this ridiculous waste of space? I'm not > suggesting that we be rude or obnoxious. As customers, though, we have a > right to have our voices heard and this would ensure they heard us as a > group. I like the Ovid interface for the most part, but the box is driving > me crazy. Enough so that I'm ready to be more proactive on using PubMed, > especially now that we have our external link-out tool working. > > If you are interested, let me know off-list. > > If you can't make it to MLA but would like to contribute a comment, I am > more than happy to compile them. > > Helena > > Helena M. VonVille, MLS, MPH > Library Director > University of Texas School of Public Health > Houston, TX > [log in to unmask] > 713-500-9131 > 713-500-9125 (fax) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Sue Fleming > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:43 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away? > > I think you are talking about Wolters Kluwer now, aren't you? That is > the "megaconglomerate" that Ovid and UpToDate sit under....how easy is > it to work with them??? > We have a great relationship with everyone we have dealt with at > Elsevier! > Sue > Sue Fleming, MLS > Medical Librarian > Via Christi Libraries > Via Christi Reg Med Ctr > 929 N. St. Francis > Wichita, KS 67214 > Ph: (316)268-5982 > Fax: (316)268-8694 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of Julie Stielstra > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:38 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away? > > Elsevier?! The biggest, meanest, stubbornest, least-customer-friendly > international megaconglomerate in the universe? Just kill me now. > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tylman, Vislava <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > I think that we all, if we are going to MLA this year should express > our > > opinion about the box and whatever we don't like in the "enhanced > > OvidSP". I don't think it will help, but why we should accept without > > protest? > > I did it last year, also asking if Ovid is planning to include > > advertising in these boxes and the answer from a "top level" woman was > > "yes, for all these great enhancements we made in Ovid software, we > need > > to recover our expenses..." maybe not exactly the words, but this was > > the answer. > > It looks like the only help we can get will be another Mark Nelson and > a > > good competition...check Elsevier, they are coming with a new database > > combining Medline and EMBASE. > > > > Vislava > > > > Vislava Tylman, MLS, AHIP > > Goldblatt Medical Library > > Cleveland Clinic Florida > > 2950 Cleveland Clinic Blvd. > > Weston, FL 33331 > > Phone: 954-659-5531 > > Fax: 954-659-5532 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > On Behalf Of Bishop, Christopher > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:28 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away? > > > > I was told by somebody in the know that the "search tip box" was the > > CEO's baby (Karen Abramsom). So that may be where the whole "it wont > be > > changed" mantra is coming from. She made an appearance at MLA last > year, > > if she does this year stop by and let her know your opinion in person. > > > > Chris Bishop, MLS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Medical Libraries Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > > On Behalf Of Cynthia Phyillaier > > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:48 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go away? > > > > I totally agree with all of the comments on this topic! I too have > asked > > MANY times, why the "Ovid Tips" box can't be suppressed optionally if > > the company feels so strongly about it - and been told NO - and "it > > won't be changed." Increasingly it is clear that the "tips" box is > > becoming more and more a marketing tool that takes up valuable search > > history/results space, rather than a tips box for searching. > > > > I can see why people are deserting Ovid and going to PubMed. It will > get > > harder and harder to justify Ovid's price if our users opt not to > search > > with it. > > > > > > > > Cynthia Phyillaier, MSLS > > Medical Librarian, Holy Cross Hospital > > 1500 Forest Glen Road > > Silver Spring, MD 20910-1484 > > (301) 754-7987 > > Fax: (301) 754-7247 > > [log in to unmask] > > > > >>> Patricia Scholl <[log in to unmask]> 4/2/2009 10:12 AM >>> > > I am not sure whether it is this feature turning people off or not, > but > > quite often I will spend time teaching Ovid to a student or resident > and > > will check on them a while later to see if they need help and guess > > what?? They are on Pub Med and navigating their search happily!! > > > > Patty Scholl, MLIS > > Medical Librarian > > St. Joseph Mercy - Oakland > > 44405 Woodward Avenue > > Pontiac, MI 48341-2985 > > (248)858-3495 > > FAX (248)858-6496 > > [log in to unmask] > > > > >>> "Herbert, Teri Lynn" <[log in to unmask]> 4/2/2009 10:06 AM >>> > > You should hear the students complain: it drives many of ours to using > > PubMed instead. The company should listen to it's users > > and bill payers! Another amen. Thanks. > > TL Herbert > > > > -- > > Teri Lynn Herbert, MS, MLIS > > Medical University of South Carolina Library Public Services and > > Administration Reference Dept. > > 843-792-1370 > > > > > > > > > From: Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]> > > > Reply-To: Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]> > > > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:59:48 -0400 > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it go > away? > > > > > > All I can add is AMEN. I have complained to Ovid MULTIPLE times > about > > this > > > useless waste of space, and a support tech told me it was one of the > > > most-often complained-about things. Not that they're doing anything > > about > > > it, apparently. I would add the cute little images of the covers of > > the > > > journals! On the Tables of Contents pages, the image forces you to > > scroll > > > down in search of the PDF links (though adding the PDF links to the > > > citations display is a big help), and it also makes the issues lists > > take > > > way longer just to load because we're waiting for a dozen identical > > little > > > thumbnails. Come ON, Ovid, get with the program with the customers > > who pay > > > your huge blinkin' bills!! > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Vonville, Helena M < > > > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > >> Has anyone figured out how to make the Ovid tips and advertising go > > away? > > >> Someone shared code when it first appeared that I was able to put > > into > > >> EzProxy. However, Ovid has found a way to work around it. > > >> > > >> Now that they have the More>> link under Actions, each box is 2 > lines > > wide. > > >> If the stupid Ovid tips box could go away, maybe, just maybe, it > > would all > > >> fit on one line. It's a real problem when trying to create > tailored > > >> handouts. > > >> > > >> Ovid-are you listening? The Ovid tips box is not useful! The > Search > > > > >> History box needs more flexibility. > > >> > > >> Helena > > >> > > >> Helena M. 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