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We all feel the same and is not getting any better. Elsevier at least is
a publisher with history and experience in medical publishing, including
Excerpta Medica/EMBASE.
 
Kluwer is a only a big business.
 
Vislava

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From: Julie Stielstra [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:20 AM
To: Tylman, Vislava
Subject: Re: [MEDLIB-L] Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you make it
go away?


I agree.  I feel caught between a rock and a hard place with these huge
companies that are too big to care much about how any particular
customer feels about anything, and hold all the cards.  If you need a
particular journal, you have to buy from them with no options.  Bah
humbug.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Tylman, Vislava <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


	You don't need to buy, but it may be interesting to look at and
then decide...
	 
	Is Kluwer much better??? The same Dutch international
megaconglomerate replacing great Ovid software with stupid tips and
advertising - wait for more, they got UpToDate.
	 
	Vislava

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	From: Julie Stielstra [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
	Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:38 AM
	To: Tylman, Vislava
	Cc: [log in to unmask]
	Subject: Re: [MEDLIB-L] Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you
make it go away?
	
	
	Elsevier?!  The biggest, meanest, stubbornest,
least-customer-friendly international megaconglomerate  in the universe?
Just kill me now.
	
	
	On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tylman, Vislava
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
	


		I think that we all, if we are going to MLA this year
should express our
		opinion about the box and whatever we don't like in the
"enhanced
		OvidSP". I don't think it will help, but why we should
accept without
		protest?
		I did it last year, also asking if Ovid is planning to
include
		advertising in these boxes and the answer from a "top
level" woman was
		"yes, for all these great enhancements we made in Ovid
software, we need
		to recover our expenses..." maybe not exactly the words,
but this was
		the answer.
		It looks like the only help we can get will be another
Mark Nelson and a
		good competition...check Elsevier, they are coming with
a new database
		combining Medline and EMBASE.
		
		Vislava
		
		Vislava Tylman, MLS, AHIP
		Goldblatt Medical Library
		Cleveland Clinic Florida
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		On Behalf Of Bishop, Christopher
		Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:28 PM
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you
make it go away?
		
		I was told by somebody in the know that the "search tip
box" was the
		CEO's baby (Karen Abramsom). So that may be where the
whole "it wont be
		changed" mantra is coming from. She made an appearance
at MLA last year,
		if she does this year stop by and let her know your
opinion in person.
		
		Chris Bishop, MLS
		
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		On Behalf Of Cynthia Phyillaier
		Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:48 AM
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you
make it go away?
		
		I totally agree with all of the comments on this topic!
I too have asked
		MANY times, why the "Ovid Tips" box can't be suppressed
optionally if
		the company feels so strongly about it - and been told
NO - and "it
		won't be changed." Increasingly it is clear that the
"tips" box is
		becoming more and more a marketing tool that takes up
valuable search
		history/results space, rather than a tips box for
searching.
		
		I can see why people are deserting Ovid and going to
PubMed. It will get
		harder and harder to justify Ovid's price if our users
opt not to search
		with it.
		
		
		
		Cynthia Phyillaier, MSLS
		Medical Librarian, Holy Cross Hospital
		1500 Forest Glen Road
		Silver Spring, MD 20910-1484
		(301) 754-7987
		Fax: (301) 754-7247
		[log in to unmask]
		
		>>> Patricia Scholl <[log in to unmask]>
4/2/2009 10:12 AM >>>
		I am not sure whether it is this feature turning people
off or not, but
		quite often I will spend time teaching Ovid to a student
or resident and
		will check on them a while later to see if they need
help and guess
		what??  They are on Pub Med and navigating their search
happily!!
		
		Patty Scholl, MLIS
		Medical Librarian
		St. Joseph Mercy - Oakland
		44405 Woodward Avenue
		Pontiac, MI  48341-2985
		(248)858-3495
		FAX (248)858-6496
		[log in to unmask]
		
		>>> "Herbert, Teri Lynn" <[log in to unmask]> 4/2/2009
10:06 AM >>>
		You should hear the students complain: it drives many of
ours to using
		PubMed instead.  The company should listen to it's users
		and bill payers!  Another amen.   Thanks.
		TL Herbert
		
		--
		Teri Lynn Herbert, MS, MLIS
		Medical University of South Carolina Library Public
Services and
		Administration Reference Dept.
		843-792-1370
		
		
		
		> From: Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]>
		> Reply-To: Julie Stielstra <[log in to unmask]>
		> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:59:48 -0400
		> To: <[log in to unmask]>
		> Subject: Re: Stupid Ovid tips & advertising-- can you
make it go away?
		>
		> All I can add is AMEN.  I have complained to Ovid
MULTIPLE times about
		this
		> useless waste of space, and a support tech told me it
was one of the
		> most-often complained-about things.  Not that they're
doing anything
		about
		> it, apparently.  I would add the cute little images of
the covers of
		the
		> journals!  On the Tables of Contents pages, the image
forces you to
		scroll
		> down in search of the PDF links (though adding the PDF
links to the
		> citations display is a big help), and it also makes
the issues lists
		take
		> way longer just to load because we're waiting for a
dozen identical
		little
		> thumbnails.  Come ON, Ovid, get with the program with
the customers
		who pay
		> your huge blinkin' bills!!
		>
		> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Vonville, Helena M <
		> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
		>
		>> Has anyone figured out how to make the Ovid tips and
advertising go
		away?
		>>  Someone shared code when it first appeared that I
was able to put
		into
		>> EzProxy.  However, Ovid has found a way to work
around it.
		>>
		>> Now that they have the More>> link under Actions,
each box is 2 lines
		wide.
		>>  If the stupid Ovid tips box could go away, maybe,
just maybe, it
		would all
		>> fit on one line.  It's a real problem when trying to
create tailored
		>> handouts.
		>>
		>> Ovid-are you listening?  The Ovid tips box is not
useful!  The Search
		
		>> History box needs more flexibility.
		>>
		>> Helena
		>>
		>> Helena M. VonVille, MLS, MPH
		>> Library Director
		>> University of Texas School of Public Health Houston,
TX
		>>
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
		>> 713-500-9131
		>> 713-500-9125 (fax)
		>>
		>
		>
		>
		> --
		> Julie Stielstra, MLS
		> Supervisor, Knowledge Resource Library Central DuPage
Hospital
		> 25 N Winfield Rd
		> Winfield, IL 60190
		> phone 630-933-4536
		> fax     630-933-4530
		> email jstielstra [ at ]  gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>

		>
		> "With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy
currents, and
		endure
		> what storms may come."
		
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